Annual Megabattle thread of dooom.

[Ian Mulligan]

My traitor guard are very much modeled and painted as such. As guardsmen on both sides use similar equipment, am I allowed to use the imperial guard codex?

[Moosifer]

Derek-  I thought it was the Order vs Disorder Megabattle, and not Chaos vs Imperium.

Bob - It is not that we dont see "your" side of things, but Apocolypse is meant to be a "hey guys you have a smaller no mans land to play with what are you going to do" than the standard 40k games.  As to your concerns about flank mark, it works as intended.  If you feel as though you will get your army wiped out by this, keep everything in reserve and come in turn 2 on whichever table you are playing on.

As for the objective thing, Derek and Chase are still working on it (or were talking about it this week) and are coming up with a way to fairly score the game.

And to the point about fluff, is the concept of traitor wolves thematically detrimental to the game to a greater extent than say unpainted armies?

[the_trooper]

Pssst, unpainted stuff isn't to be fielded. 

[Achillius]

My traitor guard are very much modeled and painted as such. As guardsmen on both sides use similar equipment, am I allowed to use the imperial guard codex?

Hmm, I thought there was a specific traitor list in one of the Imperial Armor books, with all sorts of fun and games, from evil Ogryn to crazed psykers, why would you use the Loyalist 'dex?

[Ian Mulligan]

My traitor guard are very much modeled and painted as such. As guardsmen on both sides use similar equipment, am I allowed to use the imperial guard codex?

Hmm, I thought there was a specific traitor list in one of the Imperial Armor books, with all sorts of fun and games, from evil Ogryn to crazed psykers, why would you use the Loyalist 'dex?

I use the Guard codex for a number of reasons.

1. Its offical. That means I don't have to worry about opponents permission when I play pick up games. I also dont have to worry about unfamiliar rules.

2. My guardsmen are more like Bloodpact than Vraksian workers forced into battle. That means stricter structure, maintained weapons, and more elite infantry. I find the Guard codex better reflects this.

3. I prefer it over the randomness of the FW list.


If I have to use the FW list, I'll order the book and do it, I guess. I just don't understand why its a problem when the codex I'm using works fine both rules- and fluff-wise.

[General Leevous]

cuz the fw list is for real men!!!!!!

[Battleground]

Maybe everyone can play on the same side and we can just all stand there and hold hands with our friends for 12 hours.

I thought the best part of this game is to show your friends the business end of your tank turrets, not stand next to them and celebrate a victory over a totally mismatched playing field.

Are Space Marines really cool as the bad guys?

I don't know... it just seems wrong to me.

[Battleground]

All joking aside...

Is this needless worry, or is it really an issue?

I mean, do people want to play in a game where the Orks and Tyranids can fight on the side of the Imperium/Order? Can a Tau player switch to the Chaos side so that he can play on what he feels will be the winning side?

What should Battleground's responsibility be regarding this issue?

[Logan007]

Hopefully people want a fluffy battle.

Fluff wise, There are space marine chapters that go renegade, but do not go over to chaos, they set up their own territories and rule until the imperium finally notices and crushes it. Same with Imperial guard, etc.

In fact, Chaos fight each other all the time, it's not unthinkable that a tzeentian warband would attack a force of khorne beserkers while they were engaging the imperium.

Really, the fluff is more or less written in a way that guarantees a good reason for any two armies to have it out with each other.

I do agree though, that this is something worth discussing -- On one hand, I'd love for everyone to be able to field the army they want and to play with the friends they want, but I can definitely see how the forces of Order get the shaft in this regard.

[Ian Mulligan]

My thoughts:

If you play LOYALIST Space Marines all year, its clear what side your space marines should be on in my eyes. I am not a fan of tossing one model in and being like "See! A sorcerer is leading them! RENEGADES!".

If you paint red X's over the shoulders and aquillas of all your marines and throw icon bearers in each squad and have Huron Blackheart leading them, I have less of a problem. Effort was put in to model those dudes that way. You're not chaos for a day with that. Also, you damn well better be using the CHAOS codex.

Whatever you decide to do, it needs to be done with care. I'm very interested to hear what you think about my army, specifically.

[Battleground]

IMPORTANT NOTE!!!

Due to a scheduling conflict at the venue, the Megabattle date has been moved to Saturday, March 20th.

[General Leevous]

i agree with derek and ian. if your guys arent looking like they turned bad, then they arent bad! i get your argument but it is the ANNUAL MEGA BATTLE. the ultimate fight of good vs evil. as a chaos player myself, i dont wanna be put on the same side as pussy imperial marines, i wanna be teamed up with the biggest group of badasses featuring my fellow chaos gods, ork warbosses, tyranid monstrosities etc... not some damn loyalist scum that i love spreading plague and pestilence on ALL THE TIME!!!

if you want to be on the EVIL side, play chaos marines.... cuz we all know the bad guys are cooler anyway

[blantyr]

All joking aside...

Is this needless worry, or is it really an issue?

I mean, do people want to play in a game where the Orks and Tyranids can fight on the side of the Imperium/Order? Can a Tau player switch to the Chaos side so that he can play on what he feels will be the winning side?

What should Battleground's responsibility be regarding this issue?

I'll weigh in in favor of strongly themed well painted.  First, I like the mega battle as a spectacle.  Whatever you bring to the board, it ought to look like what it is played like.  Second, such battles are confusing enough without cross dressing.

[Grand Master Steve]

In my opinion the mega battle is a battle to show "good vs evil" "law vs disorder" I do agree with derrek that some one playing Clear imperial models on the chaos side is LAME. Im busting my ass to get my 4th company ready to FIGHT my friends. I dont care what side they are on Im playing a game with them and sides shouldnt matter. My opinions about modeling, If your like Ian or Rich and your imperial guard look like the stuff of nightmares then go chaos using the guard rule book. I think what Derrek is trying to say is if you clearly have loyal space marines you are using an imperial army not chaos. Personaly that agrivates me when I see people do that. I as well as many others spend time, and money to make our models appear as what they should be for an event like this. To Simply call some loyal space marines that are cearly still loyal space marines or even imperial guard for that matter is an insult to myself and im not sure who else would agree. Derrek you may want to clearify exactly what your expections are. Are you saying you DONT want chaos players to have imperial stuff even though they are very approptiately modeled or you DONT want chaos armies that look like imperial armies on the chaos side?

[the_trooper]

Playing a giant  "counts as" army can be lame.

On the other hand

Playing a giant "count as" army can be rad.

It's like when people use models which are scratch built and awesome and others do it and it looks like a kid's toy with a bad paint job.