Author Topic: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009  (Read 13277 times)

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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2009, 11:13:30 PM »
You sure you want to team up with a pink army, we all know your track record against pink armies  ;D  ;D
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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2009, 01:02:30 AM »
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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2009, 01:33:36 AM »
ill be there by hook or by crook.. im askin paul to play with me, but if he cant, ill be lookin for a replacement.. if interested pm me.

also if anyone has room in a car that day and i cant find my way up there, im offering gas money to anyone who wants to pick my ass up :P
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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2009, 09:42:31 AM »
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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2009, 12:06:44 PM »
Alan and I are planning on being there as well.
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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2009, 12:23:40 PM »
Is there still room for another team from Albany? Also, how are tourney points calculated (will there be comp, painting etc.)? and if so what is the breakdown? I'm also assuming there are 3 rounds, is this correct?

Thanks!
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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2009, 07:51:52 PM »
Yes there is still room for quite a few more teams, but I don't expect that to last very long.

There will not be an Army Comp score, there will be a Theme score.

There will be a painting score also, but it will not effect your teams overall score.

There will be three rounds.



The scoring is likely to closely resemble the Adepticon format.  We did this with out last doubles event and it was well received.

In our last doubles event the Overall Score was the sum of your teams Battle Points, Head & Counter Points, Theme Points, and Sportsmanship Points.  I would expect this event to work in about the same way.
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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2009, 09:38:13 PM »
Hi all, just a few questions:

1. Who and how can I contact someone to save a spot for my teammate and I?

2. I noticed you guys went with the no Forgeworld judgement this tournament. What has changed since the last tournament that brought this objection to Forgeworld units? In particular I feel the Forgeworld updates give a much needed boost to Inquisitorial forces in terms of transport costs and special rules (rhinos, chimeras, etc.). Banning the flyers and superheavies  seems prudent but in general there has never been a better (more balanced) time to allow Forgeworld in the tournament scene.

3. Deathwatch kill teams rules reference the 4th edition Marine codex rather heavily. Couldn't players simply replace the entries found there with the Captain, Librarian and Sternguard entries from the new codex solving any ambiguities concerning wargear options and effects?

You guys ran a great tournament last time. Really looking forward to this one!

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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2009, 04:26:46 AM »
Hi all, just a few questions:

1. Who and how can I contact someone to save a spot for my teammate and I?

2. I noticed you guys went with the no Forgeworld judgement this tournament. What has changed since the last tournament that brought this objection to Forgeworld units? In particular I feel the Forgeworld updates give a much needed boost to Inquisitorial forces in terms of transport costs and special rules (rhinos, chimeras, etc.). Banning the flyers and superheavies  seems prudent but in general there has never been a better (more balanced) time to allow Forgeworld in the tournament scene.

3. Deathwatch kill teams rules reference the 4th edition Marine codex rather heavily. Couldn't players simply replace the entries found there with the Captain, Librarian and Sternguard entries from the new codex solving any ambiguities concerning wargear options and effects?

You guys ran a great tournament last time. Really looking forward to this one!


1.  You can contact me through the message boards (here) either by posting in this thread with the first and last name of the two players on your team as well as the armies you plan to field or you can send me a personal message.  Your other option is to call the store and give the same information to whoever answers.

2.  There was considerable debate on the topic and it was concluded that the Forgeworld rules were not used to any real extent last time around AND that getting rid of them for this tournament could only cut down on the potential for "bad blood" between teams and headaches / rulings in general.  Many people are not familiar with the Forgeworld models and rules and because they were not used heavily last time around we felt it easier to just not allow them.

With that said, I appreciate and understand what they do bring to the game and also see why they might be useful and/or fun in a doubles setting.  This time around however, we are going to go without them.

3.  I am not particularly familiar with Deathwatch kill teams.  This option is extended to players if they choose to take advantage of it.  If a player does elect to make use of the option they will have to allow the 5th edition rules to govern how they behave.  If the ruling in a given case is not applicable due to the edition of the game, he / she needs to understand that.

Substituting some, part, or all of their rules for something similar (or even equivalent) out of the current edition is too much micro management in my opinion and can only lead to headaches / questions / disagreements.


All of our choices with respect to whats allowed in our events are made with the following in mind, in order:

Keeping problems, disagreements, ambiguity, etc. to a minimum.
Keeping the fun factor as high as possible.


Like you said, the last tournament was a great time.  We are looking to duplicate and hopefully improve on that this go around.

I appreciate the questions and encourage people to ask them if they have them.
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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2009, 12:31:01 PM »
Thanks for responding so quickly. Please register the names Francis Doyle and John Parks playing Eldar and Inquisition/IG respectively. We'll be there!


On the matter of Forgeworld it's disappointing to think you guys might have made a decision that makes my force (Inquisition/IG) perhaps a little arbitrarily. Last time I made full use of the Forgeworld units and I did not encounter anyone with anything negative to say about them. The player community at Battlegrounds is a very friendly one especially when one considers the competitive aspect of the event. The argument that players are not aware of the Forgeworld rules simply doesn't hold true since recently Forgeworld has released these rules in pdf form on their site making them even more available to players than some codices are. Any tournament organizers should be aware of these rules/updates before making a call for or against Forgeworld (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/downloads40k.htm).

On the issue of Deathwatch I totally agree that any opportunity to edit existing rules can lead to disagreement. However with these particular rules I feel making the changes I proposed above would limit arguments as players would have a concrete answer as to how to handle these rules. This is not in respect to special rules changed by 5th edition but Codex entries that have been updated leaving a player wondering exactly what options are available to him.

Overall it's your tournament and whatever you say goes. However since it is a competitive event it's in your hands as organizers to mitigate the imbalances caused by older rules that GW has neglected to support. There is a GW precedence for this as there were significant rules changes made just recently at the Ard Boyz events. In short players should compete based on their knowledge and skill not on how new or old their rules are.

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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2009, 01:47:39 PM »
so it seems that paul cant do the tournament so if anyone wants to team up with a pretty good death guard player, please tell me. itll be much appreciated. please keep in mind that im in it to win it tho.... 8)
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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2009, 09:28:24 PM »
but beware he is a ginger and no one should trust gingers http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/170292/
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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2009, 05:00:13 AM »
quick question... whats the ruling on sharing icons / transports... this is a sticky subject every time but id like to know so i can develop some sly strategy.....
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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2009, 05:07:45 AM »
you can not share icons or transports, its your army your units.  Sorry, no loading up the other guys landraider and hitching a free ride.

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Re: Doubles Tournament 10/17/2009
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2009, 12:21:19 PM »
yeah, i figured as much lol. not that it really mattered to me in the first place lol
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