[Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22

[keithb]

I see what you did there Ben, I think the problem is that people are thinking about these changes in the vacuum of their own army.

Not the case with me. Komp is trying to roll back the power curve, which is plainly outrageous. But it's not as if an army like Orks was ever at the top of the curve in 6th, and this Komp isn't encouraging people to play the bottom tier armies.

Anyway, I had a thought today. What I think makes sense is not to adopt some Swedish version of 40k, but rather the community embark on its own. Call it BG Komp, keep the idea of points as penalties the same, and just adapt based on results at BG events (rather than some Euro-meta).

It isn't about rolling back the power curve, it is about balancing,  it is usually easier to take away from the best then to boost the worst.  It is also usually better received.  I've occasionally seen people complain the the comp hit them too hard, but most of the time people understand.   I can only image the flip out if they lose because of some "made up rule" to make a bad codex better.

Feel free to boost everything that is terrible and see where that gets you.

[MM3791]

Nerf the venomthrope, that thing is out of control

[shwnlyns]

Nerf the venomthrope, that thing is out of control

We get it already, you hate komp and love everything about 40k and GW. Well, other people out there also like 40k and don't want to play against deathstars every tournament. So give it a shot, or don't. There was at least one event with super heavies, probably more to come, so let the community at least try this event without raging about how terrible it is. At the very least, different builds will be played and it should be a lot of fun for everyone involved.

[Goblin]

i think the venomthropes for 1 comp is fine. as you start to reduce the amount of ignores cover armies like tau and eldar can field you inflate the value of giving huge swaths of your army shrouding. a well placed aegis and/or piece of ruin could potentially get you within charge distance of your opponent maintaining 2-3+ cover the whole time.

i don't know if it's strong enough to be worth 1 comp, but i can see the justification. i'm just saying that as a nids player i don't think it's ridiculous.

[Bill]

i think the venomthropes for 1 comp is fine. as you start to reduce the amount of ignores cover armies like tau and eldar can field you inflate the value of giving huge swaths of your army shrouding. a well placed aegis and/or piece of ruin could potentially get you within charge distance of your opponent maintaining 2-3+ cover the whole time.

i don't know if it's strong enough to be worth 1 comp, but i can see the justification. i'm just saying that as a nids player i don't think it's ridiculous.

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[Dalymiddleboro]

If you look at Fantasy comp; you'll see that every unit, character, and magic item, from each individual army book is carefully analyzed. This just looks like a half baked shotgun blast to the face. I still think it's rediculious that venomthropes are even on the list at all.

Also I wasn't criticizing BG, I was criticizing those damn Swedes If people wanted me too, I could make a 'Merican comp using the Fantasy template, but I don't think the regular rules are as bad as people say.

Murrica!

[keithb]

i think the venomthropes for 1 comp is fine. as you start to reduce the amount of ignores cover armies like tau and eldar can field you inflate the value of giving huge swaths of your army shrouding. a well placed aegis and/or piece of ruin could potentially get you within charge distance of your opponent maintaining 2-3+ cover the whole time.

i don't know if it's strong enough to be worth 1 comp, but i can see the justification. i'm just saying that as a nids player i don't think it's ridiculous.

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/agree

Venomthropes are good but frail,  they buy a lot of insurance for turn 1

[Tsilber]

 So I admit I dont know much about escalation rules or FW units. What is the initiative of the Errant or Paladin?  Does super-heavy ignore glancing hits? And most importantly is it effected by psychic powers normally? Because to see that on the enemies side has to be a "puppet masters" dream come to lite!

[PhoenixFire]

So I admit I dont know much about escalation rules or FW units. What is the initiative of the Errant or Paladin?  Does super-heavy ignore glancing hits? And most importantly is it effected by psychic powers normally? Because to see that on the enemies side has to be a "puppet masters" dream come to lite!

I think it has SM initiative

Does not ignore glances,  pens are basicly glances unless it's an explodes result

Psychic powers is a good question....

[Dan Bunker]

 they are not immune to psychic powers.

[Pat.H]

they are not immune to psychic powers.

Awesome.

Also there best be some forge world chapter tactics used at this tournament.

 http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/B/FWchaptertactics-v2.pdf

[MM3791]

Here's a cool battle report from Frontline with Chaos Crimson Slaughters vs Grey Knights & Imperial Knight ally. The Knight isn't over powered at all, noobs just get scared but it is actually a huge gamble, high risk vs high reward. Anyways great themed battle report, enjoy http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2014/03/17/warhammer-40k-video-bat-rep-crimson-slaughter-vs-grey-knights-and-imperial-knight/