GW's March 1st stuff (Knight Titan)

[Sir_Prometheus]

I think you'll find it's actually tougher than a stormblade, once you figure in the 4+ invo to shooting.  Sure, the lack of a ranged D weapon makes it less destructive, but it's still plenty killy.

I'm glad you're a fan of russes (I am too), but generally speaking, most lists that gear themselves to deal with something like this will be weaker against normal stuff. 

[andalucien]

I just think it smacks of desparation on GW's part...  do you think there is anything about this model (from a game design or pre-existing fluff perspective) that warrants creating a whole army which is able to run 6 of them?   Couldn't you just as easily make "Codex: Baneblades" or "Codex: Stompa", which proposed the existence of some rogue element of Baneblade pilots that merc themselves out to the highest bidder?

It just seems like the thought process was...

What's the goal?  Sell as many of these as possible.

What prevents people from buying 5 of them?

Well, the fact that most models are intended for a particular army rather than EVERYONE. 

OK, then let's make this legal in almost any army.

Also - that dang force org, it limits people to 3 slots something, no matter how good it is.  Plus, some armies already have heavy support that they don't want to stop playing with.

OK, well, let's just eliminate the force org restriction on this thing, that way, anyone can just buy some and put them right into their army.

But that still makes it so that they can only bring 3... how can we encourage people to buy more than 3?

Make a new army which is ONLY for this model, that way we can get up to 6 purchases from one customer!

But - isn't that kinda weird from a gameplay perspective?  Like, armies have troops right?

Well... let's just make them all scoring then!

Shouldn't that cause a points adjustment, or something?

Too late for that guys, the points are already in.  Let's just roll with it.

[robpro]

Well, I mean, it makes sense to open more armies up to be able to take more choices to sell the models. Making the choices competitive will get people who want top armies to buy new things. There should probably be a force org slot for Mercenaries where you can choose Inquisitor, Knight, Legion of the Damned, other armies that aren't a full codex, but only one. Not some of everything.

Ill be curious to see what they do if 7th or 6.5 or whatever comes out later this year. I would guess decent sized changes to the force org and hopefully some kind of Nerf to the wizard lores in the rulebook.

[Sir_Prometheus]

I just think it smacks of desparation on GW's part...  do you think there is anything about this model (from a game design or pre-existing fluff perspective) that warrants creating a whole army which is able to run 6 of them?   Couldn't you just as easily make "Codex: Baneblades" or "Codex: Stompa", which proposed the existence of some rogue element of Baneblade pilots that merc themselves out to the highest bidder?

It just seems like the thought process was...

What's the goal?  Sell as many of these as possible.

What prevents people from buying 5 of them?

Well, the fact that most models are intended for a particular army rather than EVERYONE. 

OK, then let's make this legal in almost any army.

Also - that dang force org, it limits people to 3 slots something, no matter how good it is.  Plus, some armies already have heavy support that they don't want to stop playing with.

OK, well, let's just eliminate the force org restriction on this thing, that way, anyone can just buy some and put them right into their army.

But that still makes it so that they can only bring 3... how can we encourage people to buy more than 3?

Make a new army which is ONLY for this model, that way we can get up to 6 purchases from one customer!

But - isn't that kinda weird from a gameplay perspective?  Like, armies have troops right?

Well... let's just make them all scoring then!

Shouldn't that cause a points adjustment, or something?

Too late for that guys, the points are already in.  Let's just roll with it.

^ This. 

Well, I mean, it makes sense to open more armies up to be able to take more choices to sell the models. Making the choices competitive will get people who want top armies to buy new things. There should probably be a force org slot for Mercenaries where you can choose Inquisitor, Knight, Legion of the Damned, other armies that aren't a full codex, but only one. Not some of everything.

Ill be curious to see what they do if 7th or 6.5 or whatever comes out later this year. I would guess decent sized changes to the force org and hopefully some kind of Nerf to the wizard lores in the rulebook.

Why have rules?  WHy have FOC or any kind of ally restrictions?  Let's just let everyone take ALL the things. 

I think 7th ed (read: 6th ed errata they should have been doing, sold to you for $80) probably will include super-heavies stock, like flyers with 6th.  Cuz in case you didn't notice, GW REALLY wants to sell these things.  Like, their life depends upon it.  (I dunno, it might, I'm picturing they took out loans from the cast of snatch)

And.....I think that will probably be the end of things. Ultimate jump the shark moment.  At least it will live on as IP to be licensed out. 

[shwnlyns]

$41 for a book that has only a single models worth of rules that are imbalanced as hell and not given a damn about to field a $140 model, no thanks. Charge what you want for the model, but clearly GW doesn't care about rules anymore, so why charge so much for them. And I'd wager black library will sell a supplement for these guys that might include an additional rule or two for another $20 shortly after release.

[MM3791]

If people hate 40k.. then either sell you army on eBay for cash, or sell it @ BG for store credit. Obsessive complaining about something out of your control is not healthy and clutters the forum for people who are actually interested in the game.

[Benjamin]

If people hate 40k.. then either sell you army on eBay for cash, or sell it @ BG for store credit. Obsessive complaining about something out of your control is not healthy and clutters the forum for people who are actually interested in the game.

Now opening: SUNSHINE FORUMS.

You know, people are complaining specifically because they are interested and have an interest in the game.
Or at least what it was, before GW turned it into this naked cash grab.

[the_trooper]

If people hate 40k.. then either sell you army on eBay for cash, or sell it @ BG for store credit. Obsessive complaining about something out of your control is not healthy and clutters the forum for people who are actually interested in the game.

Now opening: SUNSHINE FORUMS.

You know, people are complaining specifically because they are interested and have an interest in the game.
Or at least what it was, before GW turned it into this naked cash grab.

This post is a lot like smoking a pack of cigarettes.

[the_trooper]

But seriously, criticism isn't the same as aimless complaining. What has come of complaining is realizing as a community what can be done to fix it and there is going to be good coming from the conversation.

Just because people don't revere GW doesn't mean you have to be so upset about it.

[Sir_Prometheus]

I don't think I'd ever sell my models, at least my painted ones.  First of all, the market for those is probably crashing.  Secondly, meager though my painting skills may be, I'm too proud of what I've done to trade it away.

But, I may stop playing competitive events, which is sorta a big thing for me.  And I'm kinda boycotting GW products.  Like, I actually love this knight model, I think it's very pretty, but I'm disgusted enough by the rules, what I think it will do to 40k, that it would really bother me to buy one.  And I know GW doesn't deserve my money for their rules anymore. 

My last 3 tournament winnings have gone to warmachine.  And I spent $60 for the whole card library for my phone app!  Which sounds crazy to me, but I don't even regret it.  Those cards are promised to update.  I have the rules for all Warmahordes products, forever, for a little more than GW thinks I owe it for a codex with maybe 12 units, and 40 pages of recycled fluff and pics. 

[Sir_Prometheus]

But seriously, criticism isn't the same as aimless complaining. What has come of complaining is realizing as a community what can be done to fix it and there is going to be good coming from the conversation.

Just because people don't revere GW doesn't mean you have to be so upset about it.

I think it's possible to fix the game, at least somewhat.  I have a lot of ideas about, so do others.  One fix in particular came out that would fix 90% of the problems.  But people have to be willing to change the rules.  People can't be all like "super-heavies are here, learn to live with them" or whatever. 

[MM3791]

But seriously, criticism isn't the same as aimless complaining. What has come of complaining is realizing as a community what can be done to fix it and there is going to be good coming from the conversation.

Just because people don't revere GW doesn't mean you have to be so upset about it.

People don't have to revere GW, but constructive criticism stopped a long time ago.. and yes it is now aimless complaining. I'm starting to think that everyone here is suffering from 'roid rage, then I realize that no form of rage comes close to nerd rage. The thread has devolved so far off topic that it doesn't even make sense anymore.

Take a deep breath people, at the end of the day it's just a game. 

[Sir_Prometheus]

It is not aimless.

[Grand Master Steve]

But seriously, criticism isn't the same as aimless complaining. What has come of complaining is realizing as a community what can be done to fix it and there is going to be good coming from the conversation.

Just because people don't revere GW doesn't mean you have to be so upset about it.

People don't have to revere GW, but constructive criticism stopped a long time ago.. and yes it is now aimless complaining. I'm starting to think that everyone here is suffering from 'roid rage, then I realize that no form of rage comes close to nerd rage. The thread has devolved so far off topic that it doesn't even make sense anymore.

Take a deep breath people, at the end of the day it's just a game. 

yeah....I agree I miss playing 40k in abington

[robpro]

But seriously, criticism isn't the same as aimless complaining. What has come of complaining is realizing as a community what can be done to fix it and there is going to be good coming from the conversation.

Just because people don't revere GW doesn't mean you have to be so upset about it.

I think it's possible to fix the game, at least somewhat.  I have a lot of ideas about, so do others.  One fix in particular came out that would fix 90% of the problems.  But people have to be willing to change the rules.  People can't be all like "super-heavies are here, learn to live with them" or whatever.

What one thing fixes 90% of the problems? Do people even generally agree on what the "problems" are, or how severe they are?