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What point value should lists be restricted to, for a tournament using the Swedish Komp system?

3 points
5 points

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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2014, 12:43:24 PM »
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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2014, 12:45:28 PM »
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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2014, 01:00:48 PM »
i voted for 3, that being said can we change up the poll to include options for 0 and 4?

Why 0?  If all 4 were an option, which would you want?  0 seems completely unplayable.

So far that's two votes to at least be listing 4 pts as an option.

i agree 0 is ridiculous, i was just curious if anyone other than that one guy would actually vote for such a thing

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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2014, 01:28:38 PM »
I would vote for 0. If the komp system is balanced, 0 should create a field where all books are even just as much as 3 or 5.

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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2014, 01:51:34 PM »
I voted 3.  5 allows quite a bit and if your going to go this route IMO 3 is a better limiter.

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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2014, 01:51:51 PM »
Where's 347?  This is ridiculous.
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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2014, 03:14:35 PM »
Where's 347?  This is ridiculous.

Lol.

I would vote for 0. If the komp system is balanced, 0 should create a field where all books are even just as much as 3 or 5.

I'm not sure why you don't understand why 0 would be bad.  Have you maybe not looked at the tables in much detail?  Regardless, I do believe you are the only one who actually wants 0. 

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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2014, 03:45:51 PM »
Where's 347?  This is ridiculous.

Lol.

I would vote for 0. If the komp system is balanced, 0 should create a field where all books are even just as much as 3 or 5.

I'm not sure why you don't understand why 0 would be bad.  Have you maybe not looked at the tables in much detail?  Regardless, I do believe you are the only one who actually wants 0.

I don't understand how you can say komp is bad at 0, it should be even at every level. What's the point of komp at 5 if you don't have to change your list? It just makes the field easier for you. I think at komp 0, everybody would have to do a major overhaul of their lists which would really change the field. I voted for 3, I'd consider playing in a 3 event, but I have no interest in 5.

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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2014, 03:59:10 PM »
Where's 347?  This is ridiculous.

Lol.

I would vote for 0. If the komp system is balanced, 0 should create a field where all books are even just as much as 3 or 5.

I'm not sure why you don't understand why 0 would be bad.  Have you maybe not looked at the tables in much detail?  Regardless, I do believe you are the only one who actually wants 0.

I don't understand how you can say komp is bad at 0, it should be even at every level. What's the point of komp at 5 if you don't have to change your list? It just makes the field easier for you. I think at komp 0, everybody would have to do a major overhaul of their lists which would really change the field. I voted for 3, I'd consider playing in a 3 event, but I have no interest in 5.

My belief that 0 is bad is based off certain entire units not being eligible at all and those are the units that are the most fun.  No Stormravens, no Tigerius, no fortifcations, no helldrakes, or farseers, wraithknights, Draigo, no blob platoons, no necron flyers, runepriests, ethereals, riptides, venomthropes.

While I agree that most of these we want to see fewer of, I would argue that many of these units are the core reasons people play those factions.  Many of these are what make the faction unique and drew people to that faction in the first place.  The idea of komp is to allow for a limited amount of awesome, instead of spamming all of the awesome.  0 Komp is just saying everyone take units that don't impact the game...while I can see that as appealing as a laugh for a game.  It is not something I would enjoy for more than one game.

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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2014, 04:10:20 PM »
What tharcil said.  I don't see banning half of everything as desirable.  I only have one riptide, for instance, but I do like having it.  0 comp for Tau would be no Riptides and barely and markerlights.  Maybe you hate Tau and think that's cool, but every other army becomes weird and un fun.

don't understand how you can say komp is bad at 0, it should be even at every level.

No, it shouldn't?  That's not stated anywhere.  As people have pointed out, if you set the limit too high, there's no point.  Likewise if you set it so low then it's too restrictive and no one is happy with their list.  Do you really want to play with no nightscythes, at all?

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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2014, 04:46:53 PM »
At a zero comp event, here are some units that would just be banned...

Aegis Defense Line
Bastion
storm ravens
belakor
heldrakes
Farseers
wraithknights
riptides
coteaz..

etc etc..

This is DECREASING diversity by outright banning units.  The whole point is to INCREASE diversity.
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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2014, 06:13:54 PM »
I don't anticipate hosting a 0 "Komp" event in the future.

If I were going to go in that sort of direction, I'd rather run a straight Highlander type of thing.  I get the difference, but appreciate the similarities.

I voted 3.

Edit: I am surprised by the results.
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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2014, 06:15:15 PM »
I am like, SOOOOO outvoted.  I'm alright with 3, though. 

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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2014, 09:55:12 PM »
i say which ever allows the most diversity but allows some duplications.

BTW I accidently clicked 5 im for 3

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Re: Swedish Komp point poll: 3 or 5?
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2014, 01:19:02 PM »
So, I'm going to call it.  We should run a tournament at 3 pts.  (you're all WRONG, though!!!)  (I'm kidding)