Swedish Komp System

[AstartesXXVI]

This is true, Chase. There are a lot of opportunities to consider. I agree with Mike -- your problem isn't going to be selling kits. No players means no kits being sold anyway.

Now, I suppose the events don't make much profit. But they are zero overhead money for the store that doesn't involve tangling with GW, even if not a lot, and also a way for you to get money out of people who already own things. My Space Wolf army is huge, I have no need to buy more except the occasional conversion fodder piece. Why would a person like me ever set foot in your store except to attend an event?

I mean, the game is 25+ years old, there are probably a lot of guys in that boat, you know? I realize it's not profitable to cater to them, but it's also potential event money lost.

EDIT: Brad and I know each other very well and he is without a doubt an excellent player.

[Thefallen]

After reading the swedish komp list and comments, I had an idea.
 What if a tournament were to use a army scoring system to rate the cheese factor or lack there of. Players can play what ever they want according to the tournament guidelines. Players submit their lists and the judges rate that list according to the komp system. Then players are matched up by cheese factor during the tourney. So a cheese factor say 9 plays against another CF 8,9,10 army. CF 1 playes a CF 0,1,2 army. Etc. this should lead to more close competitive games and every player could actually have a chance to win. So instead of trying to balance the game why not just balance the matches? What do you think? 

[MM3791]

The comp system will without a doubt have a butterfly effect..

Don't make me bust out my Christian Bale youtube rant video.. I swear I do it 

[Goblin]

After reading the swedish komp list and comments, I had an idea.
 What if a tournament were to use a army scoring system to rate the cheese factor or lack there of. Players can play what ever they want according to the tournament guidelines. Players submit their lists and the judges rate that list according to the komp system. Then players are matched up by cheese factor during the tourney. So a cheese factor say 9 plays against another CF 8,9,10 army. CF 1 playes a CF 0,1,2 army. Etc. this should lead to more close competitive games and every player could actually have a chance to win. So instead of trying to balance the game why not just balance the matches? What do you think? 

imagine the scenario where two very strong players bring a 10 comp list and a 0 comp list. both players roflstomp their close to equal comp opponents to three max wins. they have equal scores, who wins the tournament? they have no chance to play each other because their comp scores are drastically different. in order to get proper tournament rankings you need to pair the best records together.

[Thefallen]

In balanced matches I doubt you would see total blowouts but for argument sake lets say there is a tie at the end of the tournament there woyld need to be a tiebreaker like best player choise score or most/best painted army or something.

[Goblin]

you also run into the issue where, for example: 7 people play high comp, 5 players play middle, only 2 play low. in this case, someone from the high comp will (presumably) have to play one from the middle each round (putting one player at a distinct advantage) and the two at the low end will have to play players from the middle for both the second two rounds (again, putting them at a distinct disadvantage). in this case, you need something to balance out the disadvantage (like the suggested taking comp points difference and adding/subtracting to/from scores) and at that point, you might as well implement that over all games and match by win/loss record.

[Benjamin]

I can make a thread for you, bill mcfadden and matt bennett and you guys can just be all knee-jerky and make proclamations to each other based on nothing.

And it would be somehow unlike your knee-jerky reaction to adopt comp as your baby and proclaim this baby as the potential savior of 40k?

[AstartesXXVI]

I can make a thread for you, bill mcfadden and matt bennett and you guys can just be all knee-jerky and make proclamations to each other based on nothing.

And it would be somehow unlike your knee-jerky reaction to adopt comp as your baby and proclaim this baby as the potential savior of 40k?

I didn't want to mention this, but I think it might lend a little perspective as to how this comes off to outsiders or casuals:

A player at my group mentioned wanting to attend a BG doubles event some months back. He asked me if I knew anything about Battleground Plainville, and what the 40k scene was like in their tournaments. Another of our people, one who played in a series of BG events at the time, spoke up before I could. He rolled his eyes and told the kid not to bother, because "It's just a bunch of Matt Bennetts Matt-Bennetting each other" down there.

Now, I know that's not true. But with posts like the above one, and many others I've seen in just the week I've been actively visiting, it's easy to see how that reputation could be formed in the public eye. The thing is I have been seeing more and more of this, lately. What is the deal? All this fighting can't be good for your respective playing groups, no?

[Cryptognomicon]

I can make a thread for you, bill mcfadden and matt bennett and you guys can just be all knee-jerky and make proclamations to each other based on nothing.

And it would be somehow unlike your knee-jerky reaction to adopt comp as your baby and proclaim this baby as the potential savior of 40k?

I didn't want to mention this, but I think it might lend a little perspective as to how this comes off to outsiders or casuals:

A player at my group mentioned wanting to attend a BG doubles event some months back. He asked me if I knew anything about Battleground Plainville, and what the 40k scene was like in their tournaments. Another of our people, one who played in a series of BG events at the time, spoke up before I could. He rolled his eyes and told the kid not to bother, because "It's just a bunch of Matt Bennetts Matt-Bennetting each other" down there.

Now, I know that's not true. But with posts like the above one, and many others I've seen in just the week I've been actively visiting, it's easy to see how that reputation could be formed in the public eye. The thing is I have been seeing more and more of this, lately. What is the deal? All this fighting can't be good for your respective playing groups, no?

I think we cover this question in a few other threads. There is a very vocal group of people on the forums who have very strong opinions. I'm not going to rehash anything by repeating any of it here because so far this thread has been rather "bitchfest" free and I don't think we need to go back into any of that. Suffice it to say that the majority of the community in my opinion is actually a really great group of people who for the most part I have a great time hanging out with. Unfortunately the internet is a place where its really easy to complain about stuff and forums are a natural "forum" for that. One thing for people to keep in mind - people are always more likely to complain about stuff than give praise.  So for every person who complains about stuff here there are probably a few who feel the opposite. 

 

[Ian Mulligan]

I can make a thread for you, bill mcfadden and matt bennett and you guys can just be all knee-jerky and make proclamations to each other based on nothing.

And it would be somehow unlike your knee-jerky reaction to adopt comp as your baby and proclaim this baby as the potential savior of 40k?

I didn't want to mention this, but I think it might lend a little perspective as to how this comes off to outsiders or casuals:

A player at my group mentioned wanting to attend a BG doubles event some months back. He asked me if I knew anything about Battleground Plainville, and what the 40k scene was like in their tournaments. Another of our people, one who played in a series of BG events at the time, spoke up before I could. He rolled his eyes and told the kid not to bother, because "It's just a bunch of Matt Bennetts Matt-Bennetting each other" down there.

Now, I know that's not true. But with posts like the above one, and many others I've seen in just the week I've been actively visiting, it's easy to see how that reputation could be formed in the public eye. The thing is I have been seeing more and more of this, lately. What is the deal? All this fighting can't be good for your respective playing groups, no?

This is something I have witnessed on multiple occasions in Abington.

[Tharcil]

Reality and outside perspective based on this forum are incredibly different.  I have never had a bad time at a BG tournament in either store.  The atmosphere and way that people treat each other that I have witnessed in person is actually well beyond expectations. 

These forums have eroded into a disaster.  There is a complete lack of respect, etiquette and common decency.  While I'm entertained by much of this on a base level, it is a complete embarrassment to our community and doesn't at all reflect the behavior I see while at the store. 

[AstartesXXVI]

Reality and outside perspective based on this forum are incredibly different.  I have never had a bad time at a BG tournament in either store.  The atmosphere and way that people treat each other that I have witnessed in person is actually well beyond expectations. 

These forums have eroded into a disaster.  There is a complete lack of respect, etiquette and common decency.  While I'm entertained by much of this on a base level, it is a complete embarrassment to our community and doesn't at all reflect the behavior I see while at the store.

I have had similarly positive experiences at BG in the past. However, what I remarked upon was said by people who played there often, and were not referring to the forum. Other things happen in the store that lend creedance to the remarks. I could list off perhaps dozens of stories like the one I mentioned earlier, where actual in-event experiences have led to this reputation; the forum stuff is only confirming it (and probably keeping away other people who enjoy the store but want to avoid the drama). I won't go into detail but it is part of why I turned up here the past couple of weeks.

I really think implementing some kind of comp would at least make it appear like the events are trying to curb dickish behavior -- right now between the occasional but well-recalled horror story and the forum snapcasing, it looks like a total free-for-all down there.

[robpro]

I really think implementing some kind of comp would at least make it appear like the events are trying to curb dickish behavior -- right now between the occasional but well-recalled horror story and the forum snapcasing, it looks like a total free-for-all down there.

I'm not really following you, what does "free for all" mean?

[Tharcil]

Reality and outside perspective based on this forum are incredibly different.  I have never had a bad time at a BG tournament in either store.  The atmosphere and way that people treat each other that I have witnessed in person is actually well beyond expectations. 

These forums have eroded into a disaster.  There is a complete lack of respect, etiquette and common decency.  While I'm entertained by much of this on a base level, it is a complete embarrassment to our community and doesn't at all reflect the behavior I see while at the store.

I have had similarly positive experiences at BG in the past. However, what I remarked upon was said by people who played there often, and were not referring to the forum. Other things happen in the store that lend creedance to the remarks. I could list off perhaps dozens of stories like the one I mentioned earlier, where actual in-event experiences have led to this reputation; the forum stuff is only confirming it (and probably keeping away other people who enjoy the store but want to avoid the drama). I won't go into detail but it is part of why I turned up here the past couple of weeks.

I really think implementing some kind of comp would at least make it appear like the events are trying to curb dickish behavior -- right now between the occasional but well-recalled horror story and the forum snapcasing, it looks like a total free-for-all down there.

Interesting.  I'm at the store pretty much every Thursday night and most tournaments and have yet to see anything but pleasant games and a good time.

[Cryptognomicon]

I also don't see how implementing a comp system has anything to do with the people's behavior.