[Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14

[robpro]

Rob, I don't think it's a "vocal minority" that doesn't want escalation, I think it's the vast majority. Regardless saying things like:

every currently legal supplement are allowed.

Is just a way to say "my way is legitimate, your way isn't" and that's obnoxious, so don't.

My way is legitimate, your way isn't.

[Sir_Prometheus]

Rob, I don't think it's a "vocal minority" that doesn't want escalation, I think it's the vast majority. Regardless saying things like:

every currently legal supplement are allowed.

Is just a way to say "my way is legitimate, your way isn't" and that's obnoxious, so don't.

My way is legitimate, your way isn't.

Dude, on the internet, it's much harder to tell you're cracking a joke, and you better be fucking cracking a joke. 

There will be 1v1 and 2v2 events throughout the year that allow superheavies.

There will be at least one event that allows everything.


Unless the competitive scene adopts them, they will not be included in all of our events.

I think you can expect to see them at most of the stuff Abington hosts though.

OK, but what I am not hearing is that there will be doubles tournaments that DO NOT allow super-heavies.  Please tell me that their will be doubles events that do not allow superheavies.

And as to most abington events allowing superheavies.......OK, but I think that has a lot to do with why you only saw 6 teams.   Last doubles even at abington I think had 12+ teams, at least. 

[robpro]

Rob, I don't think it's a "vocal minority" that doesn't want escalation, I think it's the vast majority. Regardless saying things like:

every currently legal supplement are allowed.

Is just a way to say "my way is legitimate, your way isn't" and that's obnoxious, so don't.

My way is legitimate, your way isn't.

Dude, on the internet, it's much harder to tell you're cracking a joke, and you better be fucking cracking a joke. 

Why should I be joking?

[Chase]

I definitely won't pretend to say that the superheavies turned people away.  It certainly did.  I think I'm okay with that though.  Like I've said before, I'm not going to try to appeal to every player with every event.  We had some Abington regulars / casuals come out for this one that either haven't played in an event or haven't played in a really long time.  Everyone seemed to enjoy themselves.  Such a small turnout requires a minimal amount of prep and bookkeeping before and during and it also takes up a tiny amount of space.  It's not like the whole store was taken over, which is a non-obvious and very important thing to consider.

Not every doubles event will allow superheavies.



I think I've mentioned this before, but it may have been a little cryptic.  Battleground will run the following events:

GT "Primers" that use whatever rules (or as close to them as we feel is reasonable) the GT is using.

Other events that cater to the perceived wants / needs of the community.  (The vocal few do have an influence here.)

New ideas like this Attacker Defender thing coming up.



The days of dry, everything allowed "1850 Singles" and "1000ppp Doubles" every month died the second GW felt the need to put out a billion supplements that 1) We can't sell.  2) Not everyone has easy access to.  3) Are too much work to stay up on.  4) Lots of people dislike.  5) May or may not distort the game in a major way.

I'd imagine as time goes on BG will end up with what it likes as a "standard" event again.  At this time I can't speak to whether or not it'll incorporate things like 2+ (or ++?) rerollable saves, digital everything, superheavies in any capacity, void shields, etc. etc.

I feel like it's both good and bad for players and event attendance will usually tell us what people like or dislike.  That's the way it should be.

[Sir_Prometheus]

Why should I be joking?

STFU.  Seriously. 

Not every doubles event will allow superheavies.

OK.  That's all I really want. 

[Ian Mulligan]

Why should I be joking?

STFU.  Seriously. 

I love seeing how you react to other people throwing your shit right back at you. Its the main reason I still check the forums.

[Sir_Prometheus]

Why should I be joking?

STFU.  Seriously. 

I love seeing how you react to other people throwing your shit right back at you. Its the main reason I still check the forums.

That really isn't helping

[Sam Butler]

STFU.  Seriously. 

That really isn't helping

nor are comments like ""STFU seriously" 

[AstartesXXVI]

Man, folks. Sam is right, you're not exactly going to help BG put on better events with this sort of talk. In fact, you're probably hurting them. 

I think perhaps you lot don't really realize how good you have it. The store management regularly addresses your concerns no matter how whimsical they may be, and they also continue to allow your presence despite the derision shown here (and in person, sometimes). But you lot should think of the store a bit more. Not doing your part to make the events good (and that doesn't just mean "better for you") will hurt the place you play directly. A dangerous game to play in this day and age.

All arguments like this do is make the store crowd look bad, and the stores by extension. If you want store events to thrive, these threads need to appear positive. If any of my people read this thread their impression becomes "Wow that's the kind of dudes who game at Battleground" and they may never set foot in the store's events as a result.

Respect your store. You guys don't know how lucky you are to even HAVE stores that actually support the game.

[Chase]

Man, folks. Sam is right, you're not exactly going to help BG put on better events with this sort of talk. In fact, you're probably hurting them. 

Just about every thread in the last... 2 or 3 months probably hurts us assuming the reader is not familiar with the people participating or the store.

Unfortunate, really.

[Tharcil]

Man, folks. Sam is right, you're not exactly going to help BG put on better events with this sort of talk. In fact, you're probably hurting them. 

Just about every thread in the last... 2 or 3 months probably hurts us assuming the reader is not familiar with the people participating or the store.

Unfortunate, really.

It hurts even if you are familiar.

[AstartesXXVI]

Well, anything that hurts Warhammer 40k hurts Evil Dice, too, so if you're wondering what side I'm on, wonder no further.

Every one of those posts (and anything in person, too) gets around...but people are hyperbolic. So right now it looks like "All BG players are like that" (NOT true) and then it turns into "All tourney players are like that" (also NOT true)... before long it is "All 40k players are like that" and then how long before all the 40k tables get sawed in half for more profitable games, with more agreeable players that don't require the stores to break the bank to carry their preferred merchandise, or store hundreds of square feet of terrain?

If people can't respect each other, they should at least respect the store. And the work its' people do for them.

[andalucien]

It's definitely true that threads have gotten more negative recently.   My explanation for this is that GW have come out with a different type of product recently that displeases many of their core customers, and that said customers have been using the forums as like a "support group".   Any other theories about why negativity has increased recently?

[Grimwulfe]

Shark Week.

[Chase]

Any other theories about why negativity has increased recently?

People that feel the need to relentlessly complain and argue about absolutely everything.

Literally every. single. thing.