I think people should play the game instead of going hog wild on the internet saying how terrible it is all of the sudden.
I concur with Chase! How many people have actually played the with the new rules yet? I see a lot of people saying how "un-fun" the changes are. Who has actually had time to play though? And of those few people who might have gotten a game in in the last 4 days how many of you actually have played more than one game. Play it for a month. Then come back and whine complain about it. I might even join you all in the complaining. No idea as I haven't played it yet.
I don't think GTs should consider what models people own at all when they're designing their rules.
Agreed. Otherwise GTs might as well just give everyone specific lists that they are allowed to use only. In fact this might be the only "fair" way to have a real tournament. Make all players use the same list. That way you base winning on actual skill. Of course this wouldn't work because not everyone plays the same armies, but its the only thing that will really be "fair" and "balanced".
I really don't get this, people saying "Just try it, it might not be as bad as you think".
WE HAVE ALL TRIED IT.
It's just apocalypse. It's just rules for bringing "a little bit" of apocalypse into 40k. It is NOTHING more than that. Sure, sure, there are penalties for bringing the Lord of War. The thing is, it doesn't really matter if bringing one of these things actually reduces your chances of winning, that is NOT the point.
D weapons kill entire units, regardless of how expensive they are, what abilities they have, or how tough they are. Meaning the points spent to make that unit tough are wasted. I'm talking units that are
supposed to be tough, like terminators.
Terminators already kinda suck for their points cost. But some people like 'em. When your 450 point termie squad, or two 225 points squads, gets straight up murdered by a unit that has nearly infinite range, unblockable line of sight, you're not going to have a lot of fun.
Or your centurions, or your wraith guard, or your landraiders, or your crisis suits, or blood crushers, or your MCs, or destroyers, or wraiths, or your meganobz, or your Ravenwing,or even big, fluffy BT crusader packs.
Really anything that's at all more expensive than a marine per model is worthless. The only meaningful response is to get a lot of relatively cheap big guns...distributed lascannons or lances, or deep strike meltas right next to the thing. Or bring your own D weapon.
WE HAVE ALL PLAYED THAT GAME, IT'S called APOCALYPSE.
This notion that we somehow haven't tried it and don't know what we're talking about really angers me. It'S JUST apocalypse, with some penalties thrown in for taking them.
If you want to play apocalypse, go play apocalypse.
