Escalation and Stronghold are launched!

[andalucien]

Who cares if 700 point models kill hundreds of points per turn.  700 points of other stuff would too.  That's how the game works.  "Good" units are capable of killing their cost in models every turn, given solid targets, right?  What's the difference here?  What's wrong with having to play around that fact?

Hmm, my post wasn't really a complaint, just an observation. 

But, to follow up, no, it is very unusual for any unit to be able to kill its points worth of the enemy on the first turn given normal deployment.  If you think about it, that would mean that if you go first, your 1850 points kills the opponent's 1850 points and you win.

[MM3791]

Interestingly the Thunderhawk might have a little bit of self-balancing built into it, in that it's a flyer, so it can't show up till turn 2 at the earliest.  So the enemy is going to get at least 1 turn of facing off against basically half an army.  If it doesn't arrive till turn 4, the army is kinda screwed.  It's kind of like how it's scary to run flyers in the 500pt games, because it's just too horrible if the thing doesn't arrive in a timely manner.

The Thunderhawk will smoke the Revenant, since the Revenant can't hit flyers.

I believe Stronghold Assault also has a comms relay, so you can get +1 to reserves.

[Chase]

Anyhow, I'm done wasting my time with this.  There's a clear difference of opinion and that's fine.

There will be events where we allow Escalation.  There will be normal events where we allow all of the Forgeworld stuff.  I'm inviting everyone who doesn't want to play in a tournament where superheavies are allowed to not show up.  No big deal.  Not every event is for every player.  It's okay.

[Benjamin]

I have many things to say on this, but here's the salient point that other people might actually care about.

The more source material that is allowed, the harder it is to design events that present an illusion of being fair.

[Grand Master Steve]

Anyhow, I'm done wasting my time with this.  There's a clear difference of opinion and that's fine.

There will be events where we allow Escalation.  There will be normal events where we allow all of the Forgeworld stuff.  I'm inviting everyone who doesn't want to play in a tournament where superheavies are allowed to not show up.  No big deal.  Not every event is for every player.  It's okay.

I was waiting for this. As the song goes I did not start the fire

[MM3791]

Yea we've pretty much beat the topic to death, and I look forward to blowing up everyone's Revenant titan!!! 

[Sir_Prometheus]

You guys wouldn't enjoy the challenge of building and testing against something like a Revenant?

I really wouldn't.  Kinda my point.

[Bill]

Here, I'll boil that video and post down for everyone:

"Man... this sucks!  In order to accommodate a potential shift in the metagame I might have to think for a second or two."


Do you guys realize that the game is deep enough to handle pretty much anything at this point?

Who cares if 700 point models kill hundreds of points per turn.  700 points of other stuff would too.  That's how the game works.  "Good" units are capable of killing their cost in models every turn, given solid targets, right?  What's the difference here?  What's wrong with having to play around that fact?

How the hell is something that's likely to have a real impact on the metagame BAD for 40k right now?  I really don't understand why people aren't excited about this.

Game planning for a superheavy + whatever else you might see has got to be awesome.  Lists will change, new things will become decent, players will have to risk things.  It could be potentially amazing and very exciting simply because they MIGHT show up.

I love Chase. And lamp....

[the_trooper]

This thread might see my thunderhawk being built.

[Grand Master Steve]

Here, I'll boil that video and post down for everyone:

"Man... this sucks!  In order to accommodate a potential shift in the metagame I might have to think for a second or two."


Do you guys realize that the game is deep enough to handle pretty much anything at this point?

Who cares if 700 point models kill hundreds of points per turn.  700 points of other stuff would too.  That's how the game works.  "Good" units are capable of killing their cost in models every turn, given solid targets, right?  What's the difference here?  What's wrong with having to play around that fact?

How the hell is something that's likely to have a real impact on the metagame BAD for 40k right now?  I really don't understand why people aren't excited about this.

Game planning for a superheavy + whatever else you might see has got to be awesome.  Lists will change, new things will become decent, players will have to risk things.  It could be potentially amazing and very exciting simply because they MIGHT show up.

I love Chase. And lamp....

I second this but I don't know who lamp is lol

[Grand Master Steve]

This thread might see my thunderhawk being built.

This needs a like button

[Loranus]

My Only issue with Escalation is the fact it makes me want to buy a Thunderhawk cause I could actually use it. Other than that OMG I can do some super silly shit.


4 Storm Talons. 2 Storm Ravens. 1 Thunderhawk. All rolling onto the table at the same time. :3

[King of the Elves]

My Only issue with Escalation is the fact it makes me want to buy a Thunderhawk cause I could actually use it. Other than that OMG I can do some super silly shit.

 Same feeling. Now that I have a real reason to buy a titan, I might just take the plunge.

[Thefallen]

The D weapons are tough but no more OP than a unit with rerollable 2++. They will just take some getting use to. In low point games they will be a non-issue and in higher point games people will now have to prepare for them. If you like running ridiculous 800+pt deathstars that were nearly invincible you may want to change your strategy. Now players  with weaker armies can actually compete. Personally I think it will be fine. It adds a whole new dynamic to the game and people will get used to it. 

[Grand Master Steve]

i spike thunder hawks that are not mine