What books, sheets, supplements, other rules should we allow?

[andalucien]

Well, Mike Brandt and Reecius (2 of the 3 most prominent TO's in the USA) have both posted open questions on their blogs recently, asking people for ideas about what to do to maintain a positive competitive environment.  They both seem to be open to ignoring or changing rules published by GW, and have both been openly critical of the nature Codex: Inquisition.  So I wouldn't say this is off the table.

Do those guys even play 40k? I thought they only played Fantasy. Fantasy has always had a comped system, right now you're comparing apples to tomatoes

Not sure where you're getting that?   Mike Brandt runs the Nova Open and Reecius runs a bunch of big 40k events on the West Coast (and now, the upcoming Las Vegas open).  I don't think either of them has played much fantasy except to dabble a bit.

[MM3791]

Not sure where you're getting that?   Mike Brandt runs the Nova Open and Reecius runs a bunch of big 40k events on the West Coast (and now, the upcoming Las Vegas open).  I don't think either of them has played much fantasy except to dabble a bit.

Ah sorry yes of course.. I though for some reson you were talking about someone else. Reecius actually painted my daemon army 

Does anybody know how the "generally accepted comp" system actually came about in fantasy?  I don't actually know much about it at all, other than having heard people say that the community eventually fixed a totally broken ruleset and the game eventually rebounded a bit after a year or so.  That's what we're looking at here I think.

I don't know how it came about but I can tell you that 7th ed Fantasy Daemons broke the game far worse then any edition of 40k. Players refered to "The Big 3", referring to how insanely powerful Daemons, Dark Elves, and Vampires were.. while armies like Beastmen, Tomb Kings, Wood Elves, and Orcs/Goblin got to start the game with 200-300 points more then everyone else because they were so bad. We have never seen, and I don't anticipate ANY 40k army starting with more points then anyone else, but if you want to test it out, try playing a game with 1500 points Tau vs 1700 Dark Angels and let us know what you think.

[Sir_Prometheus]

Now that Escalation and Stronghold is out, I would like some additional input before I make a new, less option-ed poll. 

[Thefallen]

After giving it some more thought. Im changing my mind and vote. Allow everything. All IA s, all supplements, all data sheets, codexes,  escalation, and stronghold.  If you look at the big picture it will probably balance things out better. As it stands with standard 40k, the game is overall poorly balanced. especially for competitive play. All the new add-ons bring variety to the game and level the playing field for those substandard armies that either need an update or got a crappy update(DA, Chaos). Will some players try to abuse the stuff? Yes but they already do that with standard 40k so thats not gonna change. most players ive seen at tournaments bring fun or fluffy lists and I dont think that would change either.     

[Sir_Prometheus]

I will tender that if you say, triple the available rules/codexes/whatever available, but 1 or 2 of those things are monstrously overpowered, then everyone plays that one or two things, and you have reduced diversity, not increased it. 

[robpro]

The generally accepted comp system for fantasy is a bit like this -

Every game is 2400 points. Weaker armies get more points (I think wood elves get 2700).

Limit of X number shooting units, no special characters, lots of changes to the magic system

Then it goes codex by codex telling you maybe 3-5 bullets for each on what items are different and if they're allowed more shooty guys or war machines than the general limit.

If you Google 2013 fantasy etc rules you should find them. They also have a 15 page pdf with diagrams on movement abuse that tell you what you're not allowed to do or it breaks the game (ie makes it impossible to charge or even move your units in some cases).

[andalucien]

See, that seems like exactly what I would like to see for 40k, see?

[Sir_Prometheus]

Whatever happens, I would hope to keep a much lighter hand than that. 

[Sir_Prometheus]

found the 2012 rules, anyway.

http://thegamestable.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=190&t=1043

[Grimwulfe]

GIVE D A CHANCE!!

[NateT]

We should ban the Harry Potter books...  And BURN the twilight books.