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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #75 on: December 03, 2013, 11:33:57 PM »
No one is taking away my plaguetower or the wonderful memories I've had with my friends blowing it up.

It's just a matter of switching gears for a while. Personally, I look at it like switching between 40k and Fantasy. I get to still support the store and have mini gaming fun, just in a different system.

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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #76 on: December 04, 2013, 09:54:01 AM »
You're making way too much sense the_trooper, and you don't sound bitter at all.  I'm suspicious. Haha.

Well, I found some horde/warmachine models I actually do like.  I think this is the direction I'm gonna go:

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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #77 on: December 04, 2013, 10:10:08 AM »
Nobody's saying anything about taking anyone's choice away.

I'm just calling a spade a spade, and calling these recent releases transparent attempts to introduce "Pay-to-Win" to the world of miniature games while putting as little effort as possible into new content, testing, or models.   If that works for you, great.  It doesn't work for me and there's no reason I have to be quiet about it.

With the accelerated rate of releases and the way certain allied detachments can make your army way better.  It has already been pay to win, maybe its just getting more obvious?

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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #78 on: December 04, 2013, 10:19:00 AM »
I can't be angry with gw for making money, it is the ultimate goal of capitolism after all, I just wish they would use a little more quality control is all. The game already seems unbalanced and now they are throwing foc out the window with no reguard for the quality of the game.

And as much as I like my warmachine khador force, it can't compete with the scale of 40k that I enjoy so much.

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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #79 on: December 04, 2013, 10:33:56 AM »
Lots of talk here about how this is ruining the game....has anyone played a game yet where this was used, watched one in person, or scene a bat rep?  I'm playing devils advocate here a bit because what I have seen so far does have me a bit concerned about the balance of competitive play.   I'd just be a lot more concerned about every army have inquisitors added in than I would the Fire Support Cadre.  Anyone that wants to add 600+ points of something that is widely expected to be on most tables and you can plan to counter against is fine by me.

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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #80 on: December 04, 2013, 10:35:25 AM »
Yeah I'm not angry with them for trying to make money.  They're just doing it in a way that makes the game less enjoyable for me.

By Pay to Win, I mean something very specific, the way that you "unlock" content by in-app-purchases in video games:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win

That's kinda what codex: inq is. 
No new rules or models in the codex, but if you pay GW $35, it unlocks the ability to use some of the better pre-existing units in your army (whatever army that is).
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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2013, 10:37:43 AM »
Or you know say Fuck GW and just download the pdf >:)
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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2013, 10:45:45 AM »
Yeah that's true Grimwulfe...

Hmm, what is it exactly that bugs me so much about this then?  I guess it's what it demonstrates about GW's approach to the rules of the game.  They're willing to just throw wild stuff out there that drastically affects army composition, not because it will make things more interesting, but because they think a certain percentage of people will buy the supplement rather than stealing it (which unfortunately, I did because I was too excited to wait for someone to post a pirated version).  It shows that it's not a labor of love to them the way my armies are to me. 
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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2013, 11:14:00 AM »
It's all about the bundles on the website.  They're breaking the rules to sell the models.  They just think they ALSO get to charge $4 for the rules. 

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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2013, 11:45:40 AM »
I wouldn't advocate stealing rules as that is a bit silly.

What I would advocate for is just owning the rules or even combining the rules in an easily accessible compendium at the store so people can see it once this 25 days thing is done. Once they are all available, people can make the decision to purchase them and if they should be part of the game. I feel Chase is already on the right path (waiting a month or so for rules before Tourney legal) and even these microtransactions don't change it.

To be entirely fair to GW, since I was advocating for Warmachine, I should say the following:

GW has seen the growth of Privateer Press. Privateer Press releases models with rules all the time. In that system, it actually works really well since the models and rules are contained in the same package.

If GW is shifting it's paradigm, like all changes, it's going to be a little rough to get used to.

To buy rules from Privateer Press, it costs either a blanket cost of x (I think it's $10) for a faction in an electronic format OR .50 per card if you only want the rules. As much as I smack talk about Warroom, it's actually pretty attractive in the sense that it is cost effective. $60 gets you all models rules that are existing and future releases.

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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #85 on: December 04, 2013, 11:54:15 AM »

GW has seen the growth of Privateer Press. Privateer Press releases models with rules all the time. In that system, it actually works really well since the models and rules are contained in the same package.


This is one of the best things about PP.  I also love that EVERYONE gets an update at once.  Vengeance comes out in February and it is not like only Cignar gets updated, or Khador, but everyone gets a little something.  It is nice knowing that I can always play Menoth and it never is going to be an instant loose faction because it hasn't gotten a new codex in 5 years (unlike my Orks).

To buy rules from Privateer Press, it costs either a blanket cost of x (I think it's $10) for a faction in an electronic format OR .50 per card if you only want the rules. As much as I smack talk about Warroom, it's actually pretty attractive in the sense that it is cost effective. $60 gets you all models rules that are existing and future releases.

And if you only play the one faction, like the aforementioned Menoth, it is only $4.99 (I think).  Plus I like that it isn't locked to one device, so I can have it on either my Wife's iPad or Kindle.
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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #86 on: December 04, 2013, 12:33:09 PM »
Today's is rules for fantasy to field their new restless dead battleforce  as a separate  detachment similar to the whole Tau  Broadsides thing I guess. I don't know if anyone can take it or just certain armies.
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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #87 on: December 04, 2013, 03:16:57 PM »
Hmm, now that I think of it, my current plan, which is going all out for making Tyranids my "next thing" is kinda convenient.  Tyranids can't use any of these addendums, so I won't have that guilt of "well... i really SHOULD be putting broadsides in instead of this inferior devastator squad..."
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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #88 on: December 04, 2013, 05:05:56 PM »
How does something like a Baneblade stack up against the Tau broadside / riptide Cadre?  Does the addition of the big guys change things up?  Will these dataslates change what some feel is a very stale metagame?

Both stores have plenty of WM/H stuff, including those Convergence blisters.  ;)

I plan to get all of the dataslates once they're released and have them in Plainville.

Some events will allow them all.  Some won't.  Some will allow Escalation stuff.  Some won't. Some will allow both.  Etc. Etc.

There's plenty of upside here.  There's also "potential for downside."



At this point I think it's going to be pretty hard to persuade me to change from:

Once in a while we'll host a tournament that is essentially a primer for some bigger event.  We will use (most of) their rules and their scenarios if at all possible.

When we're not running an event that is somehow tied to something bigger I'm going to do whatever I think... 

1) Might be fun given the community where the event is held
2) Is different than something we've done in recent memory at that location

Giving people an opportunity to field more models, different models, models they never get to use, and maybe even NEW models more often is something I'm interested in, so long as the players in a particular event are having a good time.

Most events aren't for everyone, and I think breaking away from a "cookie cutter" type event schedule is probably best for the store and the community.


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Re: Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor
« Reply #89 on: December 04, 2013, 05:13:15 PM »
How does something like a Baneblade stack up against the Tau broadside / riptide Cadre?  Does the addition of the big guys change things up?  Will these dataslates change what some feel is a very stale metagame?

Both stores have plenty of WM/H stuff, including those Convergence blisters.  ;)

I plan to get all of the dataslates once they're released and have them in Plainville.

Some events will allow them all.  Some won't.  Some will allow Escalation stuff.  Some won't. Some will allow both.  Etc. Etc.
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There's plenty of upside here.  There's also "potential for downside."



At this point I think it's going to be pretty hard to persuade me to change from:

Once in a while we'll host a tournament that is essentially a primer for some bigger event.  We will use (most of) their rules and their scenarios if at all possible.

When we're not running an event that is somehow tied to something bigger I'm going to do whatever I think... 

1) Might be fun given the community where the event is held
2) Is different than something we've done in recent memory at that location

Giving people an opportunity to field more models, different models, models they never get to use, and maybe even NEW models more often is something I'm interested in, so long as the players in a particular event are having a good time.

Most events aren't for everyone, and I think breaking away from a "cookie cutter" type event schedule is probably best for the store and the community.


If only the new year was coming soon....  Hmm.....

Superheavies and super fortifications die easy to massed melta fire or assault. We won't know how superheavies will effect the game until the expansion hits Saturday and we find out if D weapons are getting needed in regular 40k

The tau cadre dataslate is ideal for light to medium armor killing basicly putting a LOT of missiles where ever you want them

It's not like it's an auto include though, 600 points is a lot in an 1850 or smaller game
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