Another digital supplement was just launched - Be'lakor

[Typhus]

Codex:  Trogdor.

He was a man.  Now, he is a...DRAGON MAN.

Apparently his flamers have a rule called "Burniniate" which hit every model on the table and causes instant death on a 1+.

[Benjamin]

They've been writing progressively less-clear rules and haven't written a legit FAQ in at least 9 months.  That's not support, that's just pumping out rules for $$$.

Agree.

It's like gw is shooting us in the face with a shotgun stuffed with whatever rules they feel like adding and charging us for it.

Brazzers.

[the_trooper]

Codex:  Trogdor.

He was a man.  Now, he is a...DRAGON MAN.

Apparently his flamers have a rule called "Burniniate" which hit every model on the table and causes instant death on a 1+.

I believe Trogdor is actually a heldrake.

[MM3791]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the character data slates are worth what people are willing to pay for them. If people are willing to pay $4 for extra rules, then GW will continue to sell them.. from a business perspective, they'd be stupid not to.

Also no one is being forced to buy them, but they still cost less then a coffee at Starbucks, or a Redbull. Imagine the people who buy that coffee everyday  I think the issue is less about GW policy, and more about people being unable to decide on how to spend their own money. If you find yourself crushing up plastic space men and snorting the powder, then maybe it's time to take a break from the hobby. 

Personally if I had to choose I'd probably go with the Redbull, but I wouldn't shun or stop an opponent from using them. I'm all for individual freedom of choice.

[Sir_Prometheus]

It's not the $4, the $4 is just revealing GW's motivation (i.e. not making a better game).  They could be free, and they'd be just as destructive from a game perspective.  (they are free, effectively, btw, anyone who wants a digital GW product for free can get it).

I mean, what if I Copy and Pasted some fluff, and wrote a 2 line rule that let you take those White Dwarf Flmaers of Tzeentch (y'know, with the AP2 wounds on 4+), but with, I dunno Hit and run, and charged you $10 for the privilege? 

Would that be OK?  Would it be legit?  WHat happens when GW does the same thing?  Is it OK?  Is it legit?

Sometimes you just have to say "no". 

[MM3791]

I'm pro-choice

[PhoenixFire]

I'm pro-choice

Lol

Also it's all going to come down to what the GTs decide to allow in tournaments and that's going to dictate what the local tournaments end up doing for the most part.

[andalucien]

Nobody's saying anything about taking anyone's choice away.

I'm just calling a spade a spade, and calling these recent releases transparent attempts to introduce "Pay-to-Win" to the world of miniature games while putting as little effort as possible into new content, testing, or models.   If that works for you, great.  It doesn't work for me and there's no reason I have to be quiet about it.

I can tell you that for the first time in a few years, me & my gaming buddies met up last week and did NOT play 40k.  We played Lords of Waterdeep.  We had a great time.  I can also tell you that I've been reading about Hordes and Warmachine lately.  Sigh, if only I liked the models more.

[the_trooper]

Nobody's saying anything about taking anyone's choice away.

I'm just calling a spade a spade, and calling these recent releases transparent attempts to introduce "Pay-to-Win" to the world of miniature games while putting as little effort as possible into new content, testing, or models.   If that works for you, great.  It doesn't work for me and there's no reason I have to be quiet about it.

I can tell you that for the first time in a few years, me & my gaming buddies met up last week and did NOT play 40k.  We played Lords of Waterdeep.  We had a great time.  I can also tell you that I've been reading about Hordes and Warmachine lately.  Sigh, if only I liked the models more.

Matt Ward was when it hit me.

Also, if you are ever interested in a demo game of Warmachine, I would happy to oblige.

[andalucien]

I mean, what if I Copy and Pasted some fluff, and wrote a 2 line rule that let you take those White Dwarf Flmaers of Tzeentch (y'know, with the AP2 wounds on 4+), but with, I dunno Hit and run, and charged you $10 for the privilege? 

The thing is Mr. Prometheus, that's not really much different from the REAL new Broadsides detachment supplement thing.  Haha. 

Well, to be honest, I've put so much effort into my armies that I'm sure I'll never totally quit 40k over something like this.  Maybe just supplement it with other games a bit more

[the_trooper]

I hear you, I have 4000+ points of Carcharodons (space sharks for you low gothic speaking plebes) and over 10,000 points of various chaos (Vraksian renegades, Death Guard, Khorne and Daemons).

I'm just waiting for GW to calm itself down a bit before I play again. The best idea, which many of the people in this thread are kind of hinting at,possibly unknowingly, and others who play 40k is to own the game and play it on your terms rejecting the BS.

I'm just having too much fun with steampunk dwarves and steampunk lightning robots to want to handle the sieve.

[andalucien]

Hmm, the_trooper, I think I may follow in your footsteps on this one.

I've actually played a demo of warmachine, and a hordes demo game also.  At TempleCon.  Seemed fun.   

Yeah I'm probably gonna give this a try.  It's just a matter of picking the right faction for me and I'll dip my toe.  How well does the WM/H community tend to tolerate alternate models (assuming a good attempt at maintaining Wyzwyg)?

[the_trooper]

Alternate models, provided they cover the WYSIWYG requirement, tend to be ok in casual play.

The rules for the tournaments are pretty distinct on it (must be based on the correct model) but allow for Tournament Organizers to allow for more liberal models.

I assume you are trying to sate your love of converting? Converting is encouraged as long as the weapons of the model are properly displayed. For instance, a short sword shouldn't be used for a halberd and if the model has a shield, it needs to have shield on the model. Privateer Press also has a very rich bits section on their website, pretty much every metal model produced by them is available in bits form.

[Sir_Prometheus]

Warmachine really is a better game, I have a small cryx army. I think I have the same problem everyone else does.....sunk cost. Partly it's models, but more it's exp-- I have spent many years getting pretty good at 40k (if I do say so myself) and in warmachine I'm a newb.

I like most of the models, personally.

[Mad Dok Rob]

Hmm, the_trooper, I think I may follow in your footsteps on this one.

I've actually played a demo of warmachine, and a hordes demo game also.  At TempleCon.  Seemed fun.   

Yeah I'm probably gonna give this a try.  It's just a matter of picking the right faction for me and I'll dip my toe.  How well does the WM/H community tend to tolerate alternate models (assuming a good attempt at maintaining Wyzwyg)?

This is what I did.  Love me some Menoth knights....Haven't played 40k is six months.

Keep hoping Orks getting a new dex will bring me back in.