whoooooaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

[Chase]

Sigh, This is soooo stupid.

The effect of this book is that any existing Imperial army can just buy Coteaz (exactly the same as he is in GK book) or 55 pt divination librarian and plop them right into their own army as a Battle brother, WITHOUT NEEDING TO MAKE ANY OTHER INVESTMENT.  No other unit needs to be bought along with them, or anything.   You can have another allied army and STILL buy Coteaz.  It's just extra force-org-free units available to ANY imperial army.

You thought there were a lot of coteaz's before, eh?   Stupid stupid..... sigh.

Dumb.

[Grand Master Steve]

WTF, I got to skim the new rules and an Inquisitor, who has a "I can do what I want and get away with it badge," doesnt have access to a reliable invulnerable save less he hunts Deamons in which he can get a 5+ from termie armor. I have always wanted a narrated fight of an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor fighting Orks or Tyranids. So if an inquisitor Lord goes toe to toe with a big bad Boss or Hive Tyrant he will get butchered.

[MM3791]

Inquisitors are not space marines, heck even space marines can't go toe to toe with a big bug.. they never could.

[Grand Master Steve]

Yet Comissar Yarik went Toe to Toe with the bigest baddest warboss in Orkdum. He isnt a space Marine either. Just a 'ummie that can not be squished by a powa klaw.

So by my Logic if a Comissar is afforded some form of protection then an Inquisitor, who holds more authority,  should as well.

[Chase]

I was told by my favorite 13 year old at last year's TANKSgiving that in the fluff a Necron Monolith kills all sorts of tanks with ease.  He was not very pleased when the S8 guns could do very little.  Not pleases AT ALL.

For better or worse, the fluff doesn't always (ever?) translate into the table top game.

It wouldn't be much fun to see 10 Space Marines romp through 100s or Orks or Tyranids, would it?  (Actually, it sort of would be fun... It just wouldn't sell models).

[MM3791]

Even though the codex itself is a rehash of other codexes, with the versatility it brings to imperial armies as well as strong combos, it seems like this book will be extremely competitive.

[andalucien]

In my RSS this morning a review showed up which I wholeheartedly agree with.

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2013/11/16/guest-review-of-codex-inquisition-by-madcowcrazy/

Is the new "codex" competitive?  Well, why yes.  The thing is though, it's not a codex.  You will never see anyone say "this is my Inquisition army".  Codex: inquisition is essentially a rule that says "you can buy units from the inquisitorial part of the Grey Knights codex in your army" with very few changes.

In related news, there's a rumor of a new compensating codex for non-imperial armies.  It's called "Codex: Broadsides".   Pre-orders are about to go up; it's $35 for the digital edition.   From what I understand, it's only one line long.  It says "If you bought this book, you can have broadsides.".

This "codex" is seriously not far away from that.

[MM3791]

Inquisitors have always filled that role, ever since the 3rd ed witch/ daemonhunter codices. They could ally with other books  3 whole editions before GW created the 6th ed allies matrix( btw which allows most armies to take broadsides anyway). As far as the core Inquisitor role, nothing new here.

[andalucien]

Inquisitors have always filled that role, ever since the 3rd ed witch/ daemonhunter codices. They could ally with other books  3 whole editions before GW created the 6th ed allies matrix( btw which allows most armies to take broadsides anyway). As far as the core Inquisitor role, nothing new here.

In witch/daemonhunter days, they could ally with certain very specific other codex using very specific and restrictive parameters.

In 6th edition ally matrix, some armies can take ONE unit of Broadsides... IF they use their ONE ally slot on Tau, AND buy a Tau HQ and a Tau troop to gain access to the broadsides.

This is different.  It allows 8 armies to just buy these super-efficient HQ's as if it was an extra detachment in their own codex, without burning their allied slot or paying any other sort of cost at all.   Too much freedom doesn't mean more variety, it means more armies will start looking the same as they simply take the most efficient options (same as everyone else's most efficient options).

[MM3791]

In witch/daemonhunter days, they could ally with certain very specific other codex using very specific and restrictive parameters.

In 6th edition ally matrix, some armies can take ONE unit of Broadsides... IF they use their ONE ally slot on Tau, AND buy a Tau HQ and a Tau troop to gain access to the broadsides.

This is different.  It allows 8 armies to just buy these super-efficient HQ's as if it was an extra detachment in their own codex, without burning their allied slot or paying any other sort of cost at all.   Too much freedom doesn't mean more variety, it means more armies will start looking the same as they simply take the most efficient options (same as everyone else's most efficient options).

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think it's that far off from the 3rd ed system. Also I'm pretty sure every army except nids can ally with tau, so if you really want a Broadside you can take it (tau hq and troops are still good).

Again, all imperial armies could always take inquisitor allies. Yea it makes it easier to get Cortez now, but in the 'roid fueled era of 6th I'm not really worried about it. That won't deter xeno players from hunting Cortez with sadistic glee

[andalucien]

Yeah, I guess if you count desperate allies, nearly everyone can get Tau...

My history actually only goes back to the middle of 5th edition.  All I remember is when the "hunters" codexes had the little clauses, "you can take an HQ and a troop in an Imperial Guard or Space Marine Army"...  I actually remember it was kinda lame back then, because everybody took the GK inquisitor with the psychic hood that was basically a rune priest that covered the whole table.

Anyway.  We'll see how it plays out.  I must say, at least it's a very appealing addition to my Sisters of Battle (they need this help more than all the other codices do).

[Sir_Prometheus]

Erm, as a GK player who has used coteaz A LOT, I think you guts are making tok big a deal about this. He's a fine 100 pts, but he's not really better than a DA Libby, with divination and all the whiz bang toys they can get.

I know a lot of people are still traumatized by GK everywhere, but frankly, that was all 2 years ago.

Henchman are ok, can be very killy, but notably are never very durable.

I DO think its kinds lame this lets you add inquisition to any imperial codex with no penalty. I think it's lame that imperials get an ally chart that is so much more forgiving than xenos. I think it lame that they are developing so little rules into these supplements, and putting so little thought into it generally.

But competition wise, I don't think it'll matter much. Might give me an excuse put together an actually pretty hench squad.

[andalucien]

Erm, as a GK player who has used coteaz A LOT, I think you guts are making tok big a deal about this. He's a fine 100 pts, but he's not really better than a DA Libby, with divination and all the whiz bang toys they can get.

I know a lot of people are still traumatized by GK everywhere, but frankly, that was all 2 years ago.

Henchman are ok, can be very killy, but notably are never very durable.

I DO think its kinds lame this lets you add inquisition to any imperial codex with no penalty. I think it's lame that imperials get an ally chart that is so much more forgiving than xenos. I think it lame that they are developing so little rules into these supplements, and putting so little thought into it generally.

But competition wise, I don't think it'll matter much. Might give me an excuse put together an actually pretty hench squad.

Well..... just opened up Battlescribe.  It seems that a level 2 DA librarian in terminator armor STARTS at 130 points (30 more than coteaz), and that's before you buy him any of the cool stuff (which is all kinda pricy).  He seems fairly priced relative to the SM librarian (15 pts to trade in chapter tactics for access to divination), which means he pales in comparison to coteaz to the same extreme amount.  Not to mention, of course, that to take him you have to be Dark Angels (either primary or secondary) and use one of your HQ slots on him instead of on someone else.

OK.  Let's bet a Piezoni's lunch.  If this codex gets accepted, doesn't get FAQ'd to have a different nature, etc, I bet that within 6 months, BG will host a tourney which will contain at least 8 copies of Coteaz.

[andalucien]

OK.  Getting past the whining and into the cool stuff...

"Psimeras".  Yes, it's now a thing.

Also, having Valkyries as dedicated transports is fun.  (No vendettas).

[PhoenixFire]

OK.  Getting past the whining and into the cool stuff...

"Psimeras".  Yes, it's now a thing.

Also, having Valkyries as dedicated transports is fun.  (No vendettas).

Yah I saw that, semi regretting not magnetizing my chimera turrets