[Plainville MA] Warhammer 40k 1850pt Singles Tournament (DaBoyz Primer) - 11/9

[PhoenixFire]

I don't think that's what it says. I think could take 2 hell drakes and bikes. You just couldn't have 3 hell drakes. Which I think is good.

if that's the case i retract my objection to DaBoyz comp, however i'm pretty sure that when they say 0/2 of something they are referring to you may only take 2 Elites or 2 Heavies instead of the usual 3.

i'm sure a Dark Star who has gone to this event numerous times will be along to set it straight soon.

It's 0/2 of the same unit, not 0/2 FOC.  Matt is right.  It's to stop 4 Riptide lists or 6 Tervigons or 3 Wraithknights.

Ah i misunderstood then, that's a lot more reasonable. Still hurts drop pod lists, dark eldar and the like though.

[Sir_Prometheus]

It's anti spam. I don't have a problem with too many units, but I don't really like playing lists that are crazy weighted in one direction -- those lists are more playing the match ups, not playing the game.

[Benjamin]

It's anti spam. I don't have a problem with too many units, but I don't really like playing lists that are crazy weighted in one direction -- those lists are more playing the match ups, not playing the game.

I've been waiting for a definition of what the game is supposed to be, and there it is.

[Mike_k]

They have further clarified their comp relating some FoC slots that get altered by special characters in relation to marine bikers.

If you take marine bikes as troops you cannot also take them as fast attack.

[Ian Mulligan]

It's anti spam. I don't have a problem with too many units, but I don't really like playing lists that are crazy weighted in one direction -- those lists are more playing the match ups, not playing the game.

I don't see how that is inherently a problem. In basically every game that sees tournament play, one will make decisions based on likely opponents. It would be insane not to. Everyone does it to some degree, even if it is just making sure they have options to ruin popular MCs. Making an educated guess that the field is soft to something and acting on that is ultimately good for everyone. It keeps powerful lists honest by providing a potentially weak match up and rewards those playing something unexpected by deviating from the "spammer's" predicted opponents.

Plus, the rulebook doesn't arbitrarily limit options. This is essentially a "house rule" enforcing a play style that is not universal. While you don't like the idea of "playing the match-ups", plenty of people do. And I love them for it because they are the guys that eliminate stagnation in games.

[Sir_Prometheus]

*shrug*

Of course it's a house rule.

I don't think the best players usually take spammy lists (unless the units are truly broken, like old flamers) because in a bigger tournament you'll hit it's counter. Regardless, I think it's more fun to play, and play against, fairly diverse lists.

[Grimwulfe]

Please explain to me how a Drop Pod army is a spam list?

Also

i've no doubt if Dark Star asked, a chunk of people going to this event would adhere to the comp rules to help them out. However there is no way everyone going to this will. Most people want to bring lists they will have fun with and not be gimped by.

No worries here mate we would never ask this.  Our theory is if our comped armies can still do well against non comped ones then we did our job.  The more the better!!

[Sir_Prometheus]

I don't really think drop pods are a spam list, but it does generate some unique problems to play against.

Obviously 6th edition GW wanted to make it so it was impossible to reserve your entire army  -- They didn't want to make that kind of "first strike denial" possible.  Marines are the only army that can still do that.  Why?

So the all drop pod army isn't what I'd usually call a spammy list.....but I'm also alright with limiting them to 4. 

[keithb]

The comp is lazy.   Army books are not equal. All this comp does is say, "Hey best books, tune it down to 97% of max, crappier books, you tune it down to 80%"

[Grimwulfe]

Keith I agree with you.  The comp is no where near equal in any way shape or form.  I so wish I had my Eldar army ready to go instead I have to GIMP my 5th edition Wolves because of crappy comp.

[andalucien]

Half ass comp is worse than no comp.  All it does is provide an even sketchier framework for people to abuse.

[Sir_Prometheus]

Well, notably, it doesn't affect MY Tau list, like at all.  But it would limit Justin Cook's

[keithb]

Half ass comp is worse than no comp.  All it does is provide an even sketchier framework for people to abuse.

Truth

[Sir_Prometheus]

Half ass comp is worse than no comp.  All it does is provide an even sketchier framework for people to abuse.

I think there's a distinction to be made here (you may not agree) between comp meant to "nerf" certain builds or armies and comp simply meant to make you take more interesting armies.

I don't think 3 Riptides or 4 or 5 even with the special character is by any means the most powerful Tau army  -- I do fine with just 1 myself and I think it's a little nuts to take more than 2.  But I also really don't want to fight a 3 Riptide list, or 3 helldrakes, LRs, Wraith Knights or whatever else.  I just don't think that's fun.

I'm not in favor of comp, generally, but this seems much more geared towards making you take an interesting list than nerfing certain builds, and while it's not how I'd do things, I really don't mind it. 

[robpro]

Simple enough, if you don't like it -- don't go! If not enough people go they'll have to change their comp system or stop having the event. If enough people do go, then its obviously achieving whatever their intended result is.