[Plainville MA] "ARMOR WAR" 1250pt 40k Tournament - 10/26

[Sir_Prometheus]

I actually don't think these are silly questions, I think they need answers, but I think that the simplest (and what I recommend) answer is that it should go based on the name of the armour in the equipment section.

I'm not trying to find a loophole here or even be combative, it's just that I can't attend at all unless Daemon Princes wearing power armour count, because otherwise I don't have enough guys wearing power armour to equal 750 (most of my sisters army is not actually wearing power armour either).   If Sam or Chase says this is not allowed, that's cool, but I hope you can see why I would ask.

Matt, that rant wasn't really addressed at you.

I think Demon princes wearing power armor should count, I think that is cool and fluffy.  'Course, he'd count as your one MC.

I also think artificer should count.  It is, in all descriptions, power armor.  It also matters to my lists.  Say I want have GK (power armor) led by a Brotherhood Champion?  I don't think anyone would argue that's unfluffy, but he's wearing artificer armor.  The only GK HQs that have "regular" power armor are Inquisitors that buy it special. 

I'll be OK either way, but it does matter, and again, I'm pretty pissed at being ganged up for asking a straight forward question. 

[Grimwulfe]

Andalucien I dont see any issues with your question DP's can take Power armor so that is a very valid question in my opinion.  And im sure someone soon will answer it 



Ok Bennett I think the reason you get such backlash when asking these types of questions is your always looking for a loop hole.  Your past dicates how people treat you.  Being argumentative that a 2+ save is by any means equaling power armor just isnt sitting well with the community.  And in my opinion is not even worth questioning because its a 2+ save.  Power armor by definition is a 3+ save and thats about it.

However you are obviously upset and hey Keith can do that to anyone LOL so why dont we look at this logically. Lets read the rule as RAW

What is power armor?  Exactly that Power armor.  Not artificer armor not Runic armor not Terminator armor not wraith armor not imoortal armor but purely RAW power armor which by definition is a 3+. 

So if were taking RAW into account by all rule disputes and so on that we do go by on the regular and Sam has officated on many times power armor can only equal 1 thing and that is 3+ power armor as defined in the SM codex, GK codex, SW codex, BRB and all the other power armor codexes.  So if it says artificor armor by RAW that is not power armor and there for can not count towards the 750.

[keithb]

Hey, does anyone want to have a game where my space marine dudes shoot at your space marine dudes and vice versa?  No Bennett, you don't?  Ok cool, maybe next event.

Hey, SCREW YOU GUYS.

Artificer armor, according to everything I know, is absolutely absolutely power armor.  An yeah, btw, fluff certainly is rules, all the time, as far as GW is concerned.

Maybe that's not what Chase meant when he said "power armor".  Maybe he doesn't want Bikes to count towards that 750 either, despite them wearing power armor.  I HAVE NO IDEA, THAT'S WHY I ASKED.

It's simple fffing question. I would like the answer to the question, it's not a big deal, one way or another, as yes, it's fun fluffy tournament, but it still matters, every SM HQ can take artificer armor, and a lot of the GK HQs have it to start, as well as all techmarines. 

You guys are making it sound like I'm being an a-hole for asking.  Well, I'm not, I think you all are being a-holes for making a big deal of it.   If your opinion on the matter is some variation of "how dare you ask that" then shut it, I basically think you're a crazy person.  If you're opinion is some variation of "Bennett, maybe this isn't the tournament for you" then screw you, your jerk-face.

It's a simple, straight forward question.  I'm allowed to ask a simple question without being made to feel like a jerk.  God-DAMN!

Someday Matt, you might figure it out, that it isn't always what you do, but how you do it that generates the response you see.

[Moosifer]

I am terribly upset that you will not allow me to use my necrons in this tournament.  According to GW Cannon, power armor and all the current space marine technology is based off stuff stolen from a Ctan stranded on Mars.  I DEMAND that you allow me to play all 3+ necrons in this tournament!

[Sir_Prometheus]

What is power armor?  Exactly that Power armor.  Not artificer armor not Runic armor not Terminator armor not wraith armor not imoortal armor but purely RAW power armor which by definition is a 3+. 

I would think Runic armor would ALSO count as power armor. 

Look, fluff is Rules in lots of places with GW, contrary to Jared's point.  GW does not write technical rules, "power armor" has no hard definition.  Both Artificer and Runic armor are "power armor" as far as I'm concerned.  3+ doesn't make it power armor, lots of things have a 3+ that'd aren't power armor, conversely, having a 2+ doesn't make it not power armor.

Again, I'll be fine either way, but it actually seems to me like Artificer (and runic) armor is more clearly power armor than a DP's armor is (and I want that to count too).

Sam has officated on many times power armor can only equal 1 thing and that is 3+ power armor

When, where?  Did I miss something?  I really wasn't trying to argue with an established ruling, I just figured this was a new one-off rule.

[Chase]

Really people? Good god the intent is clear, just build a damn list and stop reading between the lines. These forums have been insane lately. If people keep making it this difficult to run events all the interesting stuff is not going to be run especially since the money is in the straight forward tourneys. Please try to keep these strange events as much fun for the people running them as possible. 750 pts on stuff in standard 3+ power armour.

FACT.

[Grimwulfe]

Lets not take pieces of my response and incorrectly quote them.

So if were taking RAW into account by all rule disputes and so on that we do go by on the regular and Sam has officated on many times power armor can only equal 1 thing and that is 3+ power armor

[Sir_Prometheus]

OK, so Chase, it has to be 3+?  I'd like a simple yes/no.


Troy, I just cut&pasted what I thought was relevant, I'm not sure why you think the longer quote says something different?

[Chase]

So here's what I meant, which I think I've said here before (or maybe it was FB)...

If your dudes are wearing POWER ARMOR, they count towards the 750 points of stuff in Power Armor.

If you dudes (or models, or other units) are listed as having something that is different than Power Armor (like Artificer Armor, or a tank they ride in), then it will not count towards the 750 points of stuff that needs to be wearing Power Armor.

Demon Princes can upgrade to wear Power Armor, so they're okay this time around.


Like seriously...  It's real simple, folks.

[keithb]

Really people? Good god the intent is clear, just build a damn list and stop reading between the lines. These forums have been insane lately. If people keep making it this difficult to run events all the interesting stuff is not going to be run especially since the money is in the straight forward tourneys. Please try to keep these strange events as much fun for the people running them as possible. 750 pts on stuff in standard 3+ power armour.

FACT.

NOOOOOOO, blarhg,  fluff, it says POWER somewhere!!!111!!  And ARMOR somewhere else, therefore Powered armorz!!!

I can take it, it countz!!!  WINNAR!

[Chase]

OK, so Chase, it has to be 3+?  I'd like a simple yes/no.

It just has to be Power Armor.

I'm not going to give a yes or no because I'm sure somewhere someone is going to find an example of a model in Power Armor that doesn't have a 3+.  Then we get to do this all over again.

[Grimwulfe]

I think Keith is having a siezure!

Troy, I just cut&pasted what I thought was relevant, I'm not sure why you think the longer quote says something different?

Because it does.

[Sir_Prometheus]

So here's what I meant, which I think I've said here before (or maybe it was FB)...

If your dudes are wearing POWER ARMOR, they count towards the 750 points of stuff in Power Armor.

If you dudes (or models, or other units) are listed as having something that is different than Power Armor (like Artificer Armor, or a tank they ride in), then it will not count towards the 750 points of stuff that needs to be wearing Power Armor.

Demon Princes can upgrade to wear Power Armor, so they're okay this time around.


Like seriously...  It's real simple, folks.

I don't think it was here.  I dunno, if I thought it was simple, I wouldn't have asked.  Anyway, thanks for the answer. 

[Chase]

Coming to the forums used to be one of my favorite parts of the day... Now I legitimately dread it.

[Ian Mulligan]

Coming to the forums used to be one of my favorite parts of the day... Now I legitimately dread it.

lol'd.