Weird tournament / league idea - "Draft"

[Grand Master Steve]

I still say use an army comp system. Was the army fun to play against or was it a slice of cheese? I think a best army comp prize be it just a peice of papper that says people think your army was balanced and fun to play.

[Benjamin]

One of the complaints I often hear about comp systems is that people disagree with the actual values assigned in the comp system.

Exactly. That's why I think a more collective effort like this is very interesting, where a "market" sets the cost.

Setting out to "balance" the entire game, whatever that means, is a concept beyond my means and patience.

[Chase]

I'm gonna read through this later on.  Busy Monday.

One GT I read about had an 800 point draft event (or something).  It looked really cool.  I spoke to Ben about it a while back and the flame sort of died out.  It'd be a task and a half.

[Benjamin]

The conversation went something like,
"Sounds like work."
"Yeah."

[andalucien]

Yeah.  I think that doing an event like this for 30+ people would be so much work that it would pretty much be impossible doing it by hand.

[bradpowers]

30+ people.... probably.

12 people hanging out on a Saturday, going codex by codex..... perhaps worth a shot.  This seems like a kickass good time, and I'm willing to try it.

[Chase]

I see this working better with a kill team type format. You get 100 bid points to put your 200 point kill team together and we auction off units. You could end up with less than 200 points if you burn it all trying to get 4 wraiths, you could have more than 200 if you pick things up cheap (which would give you a sideboard to swap things out between games, not extras in each). You would still want to do this a week before since it would likely take 2-3 hours to resolve the bidding.

I like this best.

Brad suggested 12 people on a Saturday.  Why not try 8 people and then play a 3 rounds event afterwards?

Hell, with some organization you could have people volunteer units, squads, etc. so that everyone knows the models they bid on will be there to use.

"Chase will be there and he'll provide:  3x Wraiths, 1 Dreadnought, 3x 5 man Sterngaurd squads with X, Y. Z weapons, a 20 man Gaunt squad, a Razorback, a Farseer, 3x Jetbikes, a Libraian, 3x MissileSides, 5 SM Scouts, etc. etc."

[andalucien]

That actually sounds like a lot of fun too, although not at all what I originally had in mind, haha.   

[Benjamin]

I'm not crazy about the Kill Team format, but it may be the way to go with this concept. Definitely a smaller scale to start will make many things much easier. And I do think it'd be so much more fun if players brought units to share, so that we could have a big pool of available options.

Army lists might still be crazy. "Here's 5 units from 5 different books!"

[robpro]

My thought is have everybody bring 300 points of stuff following kill team restrictions, no unit can cost more than 100 points (including the cost of any dedicated transports). Why not have crazy mixed army kill teams?

[andalucien]

Yeah, crowdsource the units put up for auction.  That's the way to go.

Everyone should bring the same amount of pts as will be the pt limit of the tourney (of course due to the nature of the auction, it won't actually be the points that are paid for these units).    Then everyone bids on everyone's units until armies are produced      That does sound fun.

[bradpowers]

I think that sounds awesome, minus the Kill team part of things.  I found the scale to be too small, and there were far too many ambiguities and things that don't make sense in those rules.  That said, I'd totally be down with, for instance, a 500 point "Draft" type tournament.  Everybody brings an HQ, a Troop (with or without transport), and one of some other slot (again, with or without transport). And everybody drafts one of each, with no restrictions on codex, etc.  Anybody wanna do an 8 man this Saturday?

[andalucien]

Meanwhile I've started coding up an illustration of how the self-correcting point values (based on unit popularity) could work for large normal tourneys   Fun.

[Chase]

500 points sounds better than 250 or 300.

[robpro]

500 points sounds better than 250 or 300.

Eh, then I'm putting more of my models up for a points auction that people I don't know could potentially mishandle/lose/etc.