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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #75 on: September 24, 2013, 04:46:12 PM »
Derek you obviously havent been around Darkstar during our annual meetings!!!  They are hugtastic!!  We bring the Pink to the Grim Darkness!!
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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #76 on: September 24, 2013, 04:53:11 PM »
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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #77 on: September 24, 2013, 06:12:50 PM »
Derek you obviously havent been around Darkstar during our annual meetings!!!  They are hugtastic!!  We bring the Pink to the Grim Darkness!!

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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #78 on: September 24, 2013, 08:37:14 PM »
Well this thread has become decidly odd :o  :o

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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #79 on: September 24, 2013, 08:42:19 PM »
This thread was odd before it was odd.
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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #80 on: September 24, 2013, 08:48:33 PM »
This thread is all wrong. Attacking the wrong enemies. Not Plainville vs Abington. It should be Miniature Players Vs Magic Cards. Just this week up in the north lands of Abington the 40k Tables were dismantled so that those entitled magic players had more room for their cards and backpacks. For shame!  ;D
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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #81 on: September 26, 2013, 04:12:13 PM »
I will not be able to spend much time at the store tonight so the hugability will be limited.  Helping a friend through a personal crisis and he needs the hugs more.

Sorry bro's but I wont be there past 7.
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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #82 on: September 29, 2013, 03:34:51 AM »
I have been reading this thread from a distance, and now that people have seemed to calm down and their blood pressure is normal, I would like to add in my $0.02:

1) Grow up!

       -Honestly people, we are men playing with plastic overpriced action figures here. Lower the testosterone, and just take a chill pill.

2) Coming from a Abington Regular

       - I would love to see more events in Abington, I'm not talking every month, or even every other month, but often enough that my lucky tournament dice don't gather *too* much dust.

3) Coming from a 40K player

      - PV is the spot for 40K, kinda like how AB is the spot for WM/H. I have been meaning to go down to PV for some 40K, but not having a car/ license makes it kinda hard haha. But if I did have those 2 very important things, I wouldn't mind downing a monster energy, waking up early, and driving a hour to PV to crush some n00bs! No pain no gain!! PV IS the better spot to hold 40K tourneys, but we would like a little of the love too.

4) Whose store is it?

       - We all like to act important, but we have to understand that we are not in charge. If PV works better for Chase, I hope the Abingneers understand. If AB works better for Chase &/or Derek; I hope the Plainvillers understand. But all in all, it's their call.

 That's all I can really say, and if you disagree please comment, but do so in a "friendly" manner. Please.

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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #83 on: October 06, 2013, 12:11:31 AM »
I have further developed a larger opinion on this subject. i will keep it off the forums to avoid a very large flame war not just between Plainville and Abington

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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #84 on: October 06, 2013, 12:19:37 AM »
Seems pretty stupid to make a post announcing you think something that will upset people but then say you don't want to.
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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2013, 01:23:42 AM »
Seems pretty stupid to make a post announcing you think something that will upset people but then say you don't want to.

I want to reply to this.

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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #86 on: October 06, 2013, 03:19:26 AM »
This thread seems to be about airing out dirty laundry, so feel free to post it, Steve.  If you think your opinion should be heard and don't want to post it publicly please send me a PM or email.
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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #87 on: October 06, 2013, 03:47:17 AM »
alright a nameless regular at Abington was saying that mini gaming there is on the decline because of Magic. I said well its disheartening for me to walk in and see magic matches on tables that are usually set up for mini games. He said well that's usually for a pre-release and i said it wasn't and in not so many words I was told to deal with it, Magic draws more money in the end. I countered but you can easily be at your house with buds at the kitchen table and play magic that's not as easy with mini games. The nameless player said he doesn't have any friends that's why he takes up Abington space. This person also decided to point out how much money is dumped on magic. I countered, would he like to see my store record to see how much I bought over the years? He replied no but you have to get updated rules as often as we have to get new cards and your new rule books cost more then new cards which confused the hell out of me since he stated earlier Magic brings in money and costs money.

Needless to say this kinda pissed me off as he also insinuated that Abington Employees do not care about mini gaming and they are to busy with Magic Cards to make an effort to care. He also said the other problem is Plainville takes Terrain, and when its returned its wrecked. I wasnt going to get into that argument but he pointed that Chase cares about his 40k players to the extent hes probably willing to give hand jobs.   I said what ever we are done and left the store since I only stopped in to pick up some stuff for my GF to work on when im at the store painting.

What ever the nameless person was being a dick and was just trolling me.

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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2013, 04:11:12 AM »
Hey steve thanks for leaving the person nameless here as his/her/its/other pronoun of choice is not relevant to the discussion here.
The conduct of the afore mentioned individual however I find troubling.   If sincere then those sentiments are at best rude, and at worst insulting.  Not that chase needs or probably wants any one to defend him (he is quite cabable of speaking on his own behalf)

Also the abington employees care enough about mini stuff to support some heafty organized endeavors.  Between the 40k league, zombie crawls, and wm/h stuff...
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Re: Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency
« Reply #89 on: October 06, 2013, 06:14:53 AM »
Feel free to point the nameless person to this thread.  I feel like a bunch of it has been touched on already, but I'll list some things in an effort to clear stuff up if it's confusing people.


1) I'm not sure I believe the prevalence of Magic in Abington has much to do with the popularity of miniature gaming there.  Maybe secondarily, at best.

2) As far as I know, and I could be wrong (but I'm probably not), Abington has between 4 and 6 tables set up for miniature gaming in excess of 95% of the time.  I would imagine that if you saw card players playing on tables that normally have 4x6 footers on them that it was during a prerelease weekend or shortly after.  If it was not during a prerelease weekend or shortly after, there was probably at least two tables set up for miniature gaming.  If I were a betting man, I'd probably bet that having 2 tables set up for miniature gaming is probably more table space than is required on any given non-Thursday.  (I don't imagine more than 1 table at a time is being used very often outside of Thursday.  I'm sure it happens every week, but I do not believe it's common.)

3) It's certainly easier to play Magic than it is to play 40k, but I'm not sure that should really factor in to how much space is given over to a particular kind of game.

I'll level with you a bit:  Both stores have more space than they need given over to table top miniature gaming in their default configuration.  This is for several reasons.  First, it's important to represent table top miniature games as an obvious thing we do.  Second, miniature players (and all hobby gamers) LOVE to see cool tables and cool terrain set up for "their" game. There's certainly an attachment there (which seems to be the root of your post, Steve).  Three, it decreases the amount of shuffling around the staff / community needs to do when the demand for table space spikes.  Ex. Thursdays in both locations.  Four, in Abington's case, there's almost always plenty of room for it.

In Plainville I'd absolutely LOVE to get rid of two 4x6' tables.  The only night of the week where I need more than 4 tables set up is Thursday, and some Thursdays I don't need more than 4 (exception: miniature leagues of any kind).  What I do need are more tables for board gamers and card players almost every non-Thursday night.  Currently we have to move the store around in some fashion almost every day.  Unfortunately, those six 4x6's represent like 80% of my storage.  I need them!

Really, the amount of 4x6' tables each store has set up needs to be a balance between demand, ascetics, and practicality in general.  It's EXTREMELY easy to look at one very uncommon occurrence and make mountains out of mole hills.

4) The amount of money a given player or player-base / community spends on their respective game doesn't directly factor into how many tables we set up "for" that game.  Might strong Magic (or 40k) sales imply a large, active player-base?  Sure.  Might a large, active player-base imply lots of people showing up to play that game at a given time?  Sure.  Our job is to respond to that while still keeping ascetics and practicality in mind.  Do we made mistakes / not go the extra mile after working 54 of 72 hours?  Yup.

5) We will not show anyone any generalized information on their "purchase history" at Battleground.

6) The Abington employees ALWAYS have Magic related stuff they can / should be doing.  That's the nature of the beast right now.  Feel free to talk to Cale about how much stuff needs to get done with respect to Magic cards at any point.  Because of all that work there's not a tremendous amount of time leftover for other projects, especially after normal store related things are done and handled.  Still, Nick's primary responsibility for these last 10 or 11 weeks has been to handle the 40k league.  That's wrapping up.  If Nick is going to step up and be "the miniatures guy" or if you guys view him as "the miniatures guy" I would encourage him / you to communicate any ideas as far as what you'd like to see next so that we can make it happen.

If this matters... Cale owns 2 Commander decks and his most recent gaming related purchase was a Menoth army for Warmachine, which he's played a few times.  Chad doesn't play Magic and used to own a ton of 40k stuff.  Nick (as far as I know) doesn't really play Magic and definitely has / plays miniature games.  Derek doesn't know the first freaking thing about Magic and has Necrons, Khador, and a very small amount of Empire.  They all like some form of RP.

7)  Are we really at this terrain thing again?  Has Plainville taken terrain from Abington?  Yes.  Has Plainville taken a lot of terrain from Abington?  Yes.  Has Plainville taken terrain from Abington in 2013?  Not that I remember.  Does terrain get damaged in transit?  Yes.  Does terrain get damaged in use?  Yes.  Has Plainville returned anything recently?  Not that I remember.

Here's the thing...  Plainville is 3 years old, like literally to the day (Grand Opening was like October 4th 2010 or something).  We had to take some terrain to outfit it originally, of course.  Over the first year Plainville ran miniature tournaments that were literally 3 times the size of anything we'd ever done before.  As this was happening an amazing, active community began to grow. [[Pro tip: It's a really good sign when new game stores have rapidly growing miniature communities.]]  We needed more terrain on a frequent basis, so we took more / transported more.  In year two Mike Salzman started making TONS of terrain for Plainville because the community, based around Thursday 40k! and the events, was still growing and sustaining.  The complaints on these message boards shifted from "Why does Plainville take all of our terrain" to "Why does Plainville get all the cool new stuff." Still growing... Needed more stuff....  Got someone from the community to make more stuff.....  This 3rd year, Battleground was given a bunch of tables an terrain by the Dark Star Wargaming Club, most of which is in Abington.  Paul has made a ton of stuff, all of which is in Abington.

8 ) I don't care about any game or player-base more or less than any other.  I like people that play games.  I want to give players the type gaming experience they're looking for.  If the Magic guys want a certain kind of event, I hope I know it.  If the 40k guys want a certain kind of event, I hope I know it.  If I know it, I'll do what I can to make it happen so long as it fits into the schedule / calendar.

I feel like it's a super common misconception that BG employees like and dislike one player-base over another.  Personally, some people (that rarely or never see / talk to me) seem to think I favor the 40k community and straight-up don't care about WM/H.  That's not accurate at all.  I happen to like the fact that I can almost always order what I want from GW and dislike the fact that I often times can't order the Privateer Press stuff that I want, but that's where it ends.

9) I can promise that I won't be passing out hand jobs.  Sorry to those of you who are disappointed by that.  I can also promise that all of you can find someone that is willing to give you a handjob.


Anyways, people misconstrued all sorts of everything.  Perception is the law and it's all that matters.  If anyone is ever upset, unhappy, and/or confused by something they see or experience at either BG, PLEASE let me know about it and I'll try to clear it up or take care of it.  A simple question can save us all a lot of time.
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