Plainville vs. Abington: Tournament Frequency

[PhoenixFire]

Honestly, The best thing abington people can do to get more tournaments, is to 1) talk to derek/chase, etc... about it. 2) show up to plainville events.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard chase mubble about wishing more of the Abington people show up to events.  I am sure that all

Also, note that I said SHOW up to events, Signing up and then not Showing up is about the worst because it makes all of the abington people(assuming it is abington people who do this) look like flakes.  Don't reflect badly on your community!

I makes no business sense to move an event FROM where all the attendees are.  I would love to have more events at abington if more abington people would show up to events there AND at plainville.

well there in lies the largest problem. PV is to much of a hike for some of us at early morning hours. I know I will be falling asleep behind the wheel.

Nobody should using this as an excuse unless they are one of the few people from NH who come to BG tournaments.

We have a large group of CT guys who come to almost every event in Plainville (i also saw a bunch of them at the one doubles event in Abington) and if they can get there by 10am on a Saturday morning i don't see why anyone can't make the 45 min drive from the Abington area.

I think we need to actualy utalize the new space in Abington and hold tournaments even small ones.

here you go

Abington will definitely be having another 40K tournament soon, despite my expectation that it will probably be attended 80/20 Plainville/Abington regulars if it's a singles tournament, 60/40 if it's a doubles. The reasons why it didn't happen over the summer was because we ran a very long, and well attended league. The "hunger" for organized and competitive 40K was being met, in my opinion.

But i still think Keith hit the nail on the head with this.

I makes no business sense to move an event FROM where all the attendees are.  I would love to have more events at abington if more abington people would show up to events there AND at plainville.

If Abington want's more events than they should be making an effort to attend all BG 40k events like most of the Plainville regulars do, if they don't want to go to Plainville then they shouldn't be complaining about Plainville having more events.

That's like a sports team who says they will only play home games!!!

[Chase]

I believe that people who WANT to play in the events and CAN make the events will make the drive.  I've got people from CT, RI, NH, VT, ME, western MA, NY once in a while, and sometimes CANADA that come.

I get that waking up early sucks.  I do.  But when there's 0-1 people (of 25-35+) from the Abington community that want to play in a tournament 35-45 min away it doesn't scream demand to me.

Many people on the boards don't know that the Abington 40k crowd is pretty substantial.  It's not like it's one of 5 or 10 guys that show up.  It's 1 of quite a few guys.

The 500 point event, which people from Abignton BEGGED me about for months, got 10 Abington people.  It's a casual, goofy, TOURNAMENT.

Like I've said before, I'm not sure tournaments are a good fit there.  Sure, more than 2 in a calendar year needs to happen, but I think the focus should be on other "organized play" events.  I really wish I could make a copy of myself (and Ben, and Sam, and Matt, and Brad, and at least one of the guys who judge paint for us, and the people I constantly bounce ideas off of, etc. etc). 

[Loranus]

Hey does everyone remember when I fell and bashed my knee at work went to bed at 1 A.M. Got up early drove 50 minutes to Plainville limped my way into the store for a 40k tournament. Or that time the Fuel tank on my car ruptured and I had to find a ride which required me to do a 40 minute walk to my Father's work with my 40k stuff to get a ride to Battlegrounds to play in a 40k tournament. Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

If you want to play in a tournament you get yourself there somehow someway. I may be absolutely insane but that is how I see it.

[bradpowers]

EDIT:  Apologies, had a bad day at work, and the snark was turned up to 11.  Consider it turned down.

[Seth]

Just to point out I am as far from plainville as plainville is from Connecticut. I do come down and play when I can. I just don't have a way of getting there all the time. I wish I could play more. Prior it was other things. But it would be a lot easier to get to Abington. I also understand that tournaments had not been big in Abington. But I do think that the community is on the up swing again. I wanted to do the doubles again in plainville but can't really find a way to do it right now but it would be nice to have another 40k doubles tournament up in Abington. 1250 each player would be awesome.

[SyRael]

Wow this had turned into a "us vrs. them". So warhammer is in PV, they earned it more. Got it. Cool.  I have no intrest in playing there. I will keep gamming in a "casual group" here in AB. I know the rest of us will as well. Thank for answers. Not much more to say, since this thread is breaking down into a round of insults. Its great you have people coming from all around Chase. You group up there as said before, is diffrent than what our style is. I want to game with others in that style, a a style we as an independent community developed over the last 10 years. Thanks for hearing us and please Bradpowers keep posting. I love feeling hate from PV players.

[bradpowers]

My issue with this whole conversation is that it seems that people are unappreciative of what Chase, Sam, Matt, and the other movers and shakers do for US, Plainvillers, Abingtonians, and area wargamers alike.  Frankly, saying that you're not willing to make a drive for a fun day of gaming, but that you EXPECT Chase et. al to do so, especially given the situation he's in (and which Chase has made clear in multiple posts) is disrespectful of Chase et. al. 

Saying that it's unfair, given historical turnouts for Plainville and Abington tournaments is absurd.  The fairest possible location to play in would be the average of all attendee's locations.  Unfortunately, that location is probably outside, and is also likely lacking in terrain.  Given that we have two locations to choose from, I suspect that Plainville is the "fairest" of them all.  The fact that a few vocal members are complaining loudly that the location doesn't suit them doesn't outweigh the dozens of silent tournament participants, nor should it.

My last point is this:  If YOU want to see tournaments, megabattles, etc. happen, MAKE THEM HAPPEN.  Chase has made it clear that due to terrain and other issues, he lacks the hours in the day to run multiple tournaments per month in multiple locations.  Instead of whining about it, fix it.  Build terrain and donate it to the store.  If you can't afford supplies, find someone who can and help them build the terrain.  Want to see some sort of event happen?  Write up a basic sketch of the idea, email someone at BG, and with their approval, go for it.  I'm currently working on a few ideas slanted at beginning hobbyists and a more casual crowd, completely unasked for by Chase.  Why?  Because I want to see these things happen, and I want them to be awesome. 

This shouldn't be about Plainville vs. Abington.  This isn't a zero-sum situation, we don't have to take away Plainville tournaments to add Abington tournaments, IF AND ONLY IF people on both sides step up and quit whining.


I turned down the snark.... a little bit.

[keithb]

Hey does everyone remember when I fell and bashed my knee at work went to bed at 1 A.M. Got up early drove 50 minutes to Plainville limped my way into the store for a 40k tournament. Or that time the Fuel tank on my car ruptured and I had to find a ride which required me to do a 40 minute walk to my Father's work with my 40k stuff to get a ride to Battlegrounds to play in a 40k tournament. Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

If you want to play in a tournament you get yourself there somehow someway. I may be absolutely insane but that is how I see it.

Nice.

[keithb]

Wow this had turned into a "us vrs. them". So warhammer is in PV, they earned it more. Got it. Cool.  I have no intrest in playing there. I will keep gamming in a "casual group" here in AB. I know the rest of us will as well. Thank for answers. Not much more to say, since this thread is breaking down into a round of insults. Its great you have people coming from all around Chase. You group up there as said before, is diffrent than what our style is. I want to game with others in that style, a a style we as an independent community developed over the last 10 years. Thanks for hearing us and please Bradpowers keep posting. I love feeling hate from PV players.

Has nothing to do with earning anything.  Show that a tournament in abington will do anything more than raising the gas cost of the plainville players.  I was only telling you and others to come to Plainville events to show the people who take the time to put them on that it wont be a waste.

I would love to see more fantasy events at either BG store, but whenever we host we get 12-14 tops.  Which is way less than 40k, so i understand that they won't get run as often, I don't bitch about it.

Like when the tournament go-ers from abington are 5% of the field at most events.  It doesn't inform the organizers that having one in abington is a good move.   Show them that it is, and they, and us "plainville" guys will glady come support your events.

Fuck, I used to drive up from Dartmouth MA for events in abington before Plainville store existed.  I've supported BG where-ever, when-ever.  For whatever reason, the people who also do this, seem to be closer to the plainville store.

[PhoenixFire]

My issue with this whole conversation is that it seems that people are unappreciative of what Chase, Sam, Matt, and the other movers and shakers do for US, Plainvillers, Abingtonians, and area wargamers alike.  Frankly, saying that you're not willing to make a drive for a fun day of gaming, but that you EXPECT Chase et. al to do so, especially given the situation he's in (and which Chase has made clear in multiple posts) is disrespectful of Chase et. al. 

Saying that it's unfair, given historical turnouts for Plainville and Abington tournaments is absurd.  The fairest possible location to play in would be the average of all attendee's locations.  Unfortunately, that location is probably outside, and is also likely lacking in terrain.  Given that we have two locations to choose from, I suspect that Plainville is the "fairest" of them all.  The fact that a few vocal members are complaining loudly that the location doesn't suit them doesn't outweigh the dozens of silent tournament participants, nor should it.

My last point is this:  If YOU want to see tournaments, megabattles, etc. happen, MAKE THEM HAPPEN.  Chase has made it clear that due to terrain and other issues, he lacks the hours in the day to run multiple tournaments per month in multiple locations.  Instead of whining about it, fix it.  Build terrain and donate it to the store.  If you can't afford supplies, find someone who can and help them build the terrain.  Want to see some sort of event happen?  Write up a basic sketch of the idea, email someone at BG, and with their approval, go for it.  I'm currently working on a few ideas slanted at beginning hobbyists and a more casual crowd, completely unasked for by Chase.  Why?  Because I want to see these things happen, and I want them to be awesome. 

This shouldn't be about Plainville vs. Abington.  This isn't a zero-sum situation, we don't have to take away Plainville tournaments to add Abington tournaments, IF AND ONLY IF people on both sides step up and quit whining.


I turned down the snark.... a little bit.

Five lesser known facts about Brad Powers

5: Chase once tried to cancel a tournament due to 2ft of snow on the ground. Brad shoveled out the entire parking lot with only a cardboard Piezonis container so the tournament could go on.

4: Chaos Space Marines don't check under their bed for monsters, they check under their bed for Brad Powers

3: "Brad Club" is actually based in Roanoke Virginia and Brad makes the drive up every Thursday for 40k because he is that hardcore

2: Brad Powers doesn't sleep... he waits

1: Chuck Norris once came to Brad Powers for list building advice for his drop pod army "The Bearded Fists"

[andalucien]

6. Brad Powers' real name is "Power Powers", but he says his name is Brad in order to seem more approachable for the common man.

[SyRael]

Battlegrounds owns Massachusetts in terms of gaming support and events. Like, legit for real. Other clubs in the area don't run 40k tournaments every month, and some don't even have a dedicated website, just facebook pages.

I think the BG staff does an outstanding job at running events. I personally only play GW games but they also do a great job with Magic, Warmachine, and basically whatever other game is thrown at them.

This summer we even had a really great 40k campaign that actually strengthened the 40k community because it gave gamers a chance to meet other gamers in the area.

BG even has annual megabattles where the staff rents out a hall to play 40k Apocalypse. 

BG caters to casual and competitive gamers all year round, so I really can't see why anyone would have a problem with support for events. In my experience as long as their is a demand for a particular gaming event, BG will meet and execute it in an efficient manner.

This is just my experience, I've been coming to Battlegrounds on and off since 2004.. this is actually the most active I've ever been in the wargaming scene, mostly due to the 40k campaign. I look forward to future events and campaigns @ BG.

I completly agree. Chase we love what tis store does for us and never has been our focus to imply otherwise. I like you thoughts also. I understand that both stores must bring it together so that we NEVER create a  "us-them" situation between the two stores.  I think the heart of the issue is that Friday night is among the best time for most of us to meet and play, but that night is for Magic and can never not be for Magic (the store needs to make money and has other people who play other games). I work like most people and showing up on a weekday nightafter 5 to play a 4 hr game is hard. I know this to be true for most of us. AB has the player base, but the space/time is an issue. Try Sat? We have and at times some of us can work out the time off. This is not an issue of the store's, rather one of those times the real life Fs it all up. There is not enough space on Friday nights, nor should we ask for it (If Derek does not make is money then there is no store). The issue about the warhammer stuff has become silly. Chase I trust that the staff does whatever is in thier power to do thier best and I think we all understand that shit breaks. I regule my destoryer arms before every game. And yes, I think it would be ideal to get a store employee to oversee warhammer in AB. The only issue that is getting us upset is way wording is being used, not by the store staff (I think). AB has shown over tens year of dedication to the events held at Battlegrounds and for some to imply that we are otherwise due to a diffrent gaming philosophy that is a bit more causal is ridiculous. With that said, I see this issue more as "Hey Chase this is what we need/ would like to do" and us helping him out. Chase I think you take the heat to much (but in away like it), and I just want you to understand that in no way are you this time at fault.

Bradpowers please read posts before you reply. As you will see, I even said before you decided to jump in for an attack, that NO STAFF! INCLUDING CHASE HAS ANY GODDAMN THING TO DO WITH THIS. Thanks. I will say it again if I have to. Your comments are what makes this an issue. Derek knows me, and I hope Chase knows me. They are good men. Steve only wanted to voice some thoughts and hopes. If you read anything that I posted, then you would understand what is being said.  Derek and Chase have done great things for us, but an issue came up and was being explored. Once again, please cont. to miss the mark and tell us in AB how you really feel.

[bradpowers]

SyRael:  I have no issue with what you've said.  I'm not commenting on what you've said, because frankly, you're right on all counts.  I'm commenting on what others have said, and I think it should be clear who that is (I'm trying to avoid calling them out explicitly, as I don't want to hurt feelings).  I'm addressing what a few among the community have said, and am doing so at the bottom of the thread because, well, that's where new posts go.  The fact that it's after your post is coincidental, not intentional.

I apologize if I come across as being ridiculously protective of Chase and the rest of the Plainville crew, but it's in the bylaws of Brad Club:

Chase is in Brad Club.
The number one rule of Brad Club is that there are no rules to Brad Club.
The number two rule of Brad Club is that Brad Club sticks together.

With regards to my first name:  I have no first name.  I am a force of nature given a first name by puny mortals, so that they may comprehend my awesomeness.

Also, (and this is actually true) I experience time at a slightly slower rate due to my increased distance from the center of the earth (and thus higher speed), which because of relativity means I have more time for awesomeness.  I can actually feel my awesome time increase as I stand up.

[Benjamin]

/in before thread lock

[Loranus]

Keith I am glad someone caught onto that and commented .