Forgeworld at BG tournaments?

[Achillius]

I am 100% behind giving the community what it wants and experimenting with various things.  I hope that much is clear.  It's just GOT to work well for the business.

Understood, completely, and I think once this has been review objectively the impact on the business will be clear to see, somewhere between minimal and positive. From the community perspective I've heard a lot of good points; I'm pleased the old, I can't afford their rule books has gone away (I certainly can't afford all the GW codexes at $50 a shot these days).

To the earlier comments on FW I believe what I want is FW rules, personally I want to play my Elysians; But so long as the models are appropriate, I don't see there's a problem playing with std IG miniatures rather than resin, who doesn't want Guard dropping out of the sky ! but forcing soemone to buy a PITA set of models at FW prices is not necessary, which should support BG.

Cheers,
Alan

[Achillius]

Also, in case people missed it earlier the current plan is to offer more events that allow at least some FW models in the future.

The events in Abington will feature FW more prominently.  Events we hold at either location that are at least somewhat intended to be "GT practice" will likely not allow FW rules / units.

So it seems like a decision has been made; I'm curious then, will events in Abington work for your inivtationals?

[Thefallen]

For better or worse, this will not be put to a vote.

Sorry if that sounds dickish, but it's just not the way we're going to handle it.


edit:  Not all of the people in the community read or post on the boards.  Also, as has been mentioned a few times in this thread, the primary point of discussion is how the allowance of FW stuff impacts BG's sales of GW models / supplies.  I'm not about to deviate from something that seems to be working just fine based on a vote alone.

I am 100% behind giving the community what it wants and experimenting with various things.  I hope that much is clear.  It's just GOT to work well for the business.


Like, what happens if there's a vote on whether or not I should give out GW stuff for free?  Probably won't end well for the business and at least a percentage of the gamers that frequent the stores, but it'd sure be sweet for a while (on your end) though....

Im sorry I didn't realize making customers happy was bad for business. I don't see how including a few additional rules and models will hurt BGs bottom line. Specially if im willing to pay additional money to play them.
im glad you are willing to try it out first,so thanks for that.
P.S.
The most dickish thing you said was the bit about voting for free stuff. Really???
Lol.

[King of the Elves]

For better or worse, this will not be put to a vote.

Sorry if that sounds dickish, but it's just not the way we're going to handle it.


edit:  Not all of the people in the community read or post on the boards.  Also, as has been mentioned a few times in this thread, the primary point of discussion is how the allowance of FW stuff impacts BG's sales of GW models / supplies.  I'm not about to deviate from something that seems to be working just fine based on a vote alone.

I am 100% behind giving the community what it wants and experimenting with various things.  I hope that much is clear.  It's just GOT to work well for the business.


Like, what happens if there's a vote on whether or not I should give out GW stuff for free?  Probably won't end well for the business and at least a percentage of the gamers that frequent the stores, but it'd sure be sweet for a while (on your end) though....

Im sorry I didn't realize making customers happy was bad for business. I don't see how including a few additional rules and models will hurt BGs bottom line. Specially if im willing to pay additional money to play them.
im glad you are willing to try it out first,so thanks for that.
P.S.
The most dickish thing you said was the bit about voting for free stuff. Really???
Lol.

 Dude, you for real!? Putting "lol" at the end of something doesn't make it alright to say. First off, if every business in the world first priority was to make people happy, there would be NO businesses. Just look at GW or Apple for example.  Second, there is NO way to make everyone happy, there is always going to be the guy who isn't happy and is going to bitch about it. Third, if I have a budget of $500 for 40K & I see that BG is going to allow FW armies at every tourney, I'm going to  buy a $500 army from FW, and guess what; that's $500 that BG just lost. Plus the people who arn't going to pay the tourney cost because they don't want to play agenst FW armies/ pay the "extra fee". FW is fun to use every once in a while, but not EVERY tourney. And you know what, whining about not getting what you wanted because Papa Chase said no is not going to get you very far.

/rant

 EDIT:
 And if Battlegrounds didn't really didn't care about making their customers happy, they wouldn't do: 40K Tourneys, 10% discount with receipts, provide amazing game tables that are free to use, pay for this forum, the list goes on and on....

[Grand Master Steve]

For better or worse, this will not be put to a vote.

Sorry if that sounds dickish, but it's just not the way we're going to handle it.


edit:  Not all of the people in the community read or post on the boards.  Also, as has been mentioned a few times in this thread, the primary point of discussion is how the allowance of FW stuff impacts BG's sales of GW models / supplies.  I'm not about to deviate from something that seems to be working just fine based on a vote alone.

I am 100% behind giving the community what it wants and experimenting with various things.  I hope that much is clear.  It's just GOT to work well for the business.


Like, what happens if there's a vote on whether or not I should give out GW stuff for free?  Probably won't end well for the business and at least a percentage of the gamers that frequent the stores, but it'd sure be sweet for a while (on your end) though....

Im sorry I didn't realize making customers happy was bad for business. I don't see how including a few additional rules and models will hurt BGs bottom line. Specially if im willing to pay additional money to play them.
im glad you are willing to try it out first,so thanks for that.
P.S.
The most dickish thing you said was the bit about voting for free stuff. Really???
Lol.

 Dude, you for real!? Putting "lol" at the end of something doesn't make it alright to say. First off, if every business in the world first priority was to make people happy, there would be NO businesses. Just look at GW or Apple for example.  Second, there is NO way to make everyone happy, there is always going to be the guy who isn't happy and is going to bitch about it. Third, if I have a budget of $500 for 40K & I see that BG is going to allow FW armies at every tourney, I'm going to  buy a $500 army from FW, and guess what; that's $500 that BG just lost. Plus the people who arn't going to pay the tourney cost because they don't want to play agenst FW armies/ pay the "extra fee". FW is fun to use every once in a while, but not EVERY tourney. And you know what, whining about not getting what you wanted because Papa Chase said no is not going to get you very far.

/rant

 EDIT:
 And if Battlegrounds didn't really didn't care about making their customers happy, they wouldn't do: 40K Tourneys, 10% discount with receipts, provide amazing game tables that are free to use, pay for this forum, the list goes on and on....

Nice Rant Dylan I agree 100% with you

[Thomas callahan]

Ha, i look in after a a couple days from my post and i see "voting" from customers to determine what the gaming store should allow. And thanks Dylan you said it right on the money, same with you chase

[Grand Master Steve]

In the end as it states in FW rules it is always up to the organizer to allow them

[Thefallen]

For better or worse, this will not be put to a vote.

Sorry if that sounds dickish, but it's just not the way we're going to handle it.


edit:  Not all of the people in the community read or post on the boards.  Also, as has been mentioned a few times in this thread, the primary point of discussion is how the allowance of FW stuff impacts BG's sales of GW models / supplies.  I'm not about to deviate from something that seems to be working just fine based on a vote alone.

I am 100% behind giving the community what it wants and experimenting with various things.  I hope that much is clear.  It's just GOT to work well for the business.


Like, what happens if there's a vote on whether or not I should give out GW stuff for free?  Probably won't end well for the business and at least a percentage of the gamers that frequent the stores, but it'd sure be sweet for a while (on your end) though....

Im sorry I didn't realize making customers happy was bad for business. I don't see how including a few additional rules and models will hurt BGs bottom line. Specially if im willing to pay additional money to play them.
im glad you are willing to try it out first,so thanks for that.
P.S.
The most dickish thing you said was the bit about voting for free stuff. Really???
Lol.

 Dude, you for real!? Putting "lol" at the end of something doesn't make it alright to say. First off, if every business in the world first priority was to make people happy, there would be NO businesses. Just look at GW or Apple for example.  Second, there is NO way to make everyone happy, there is always going to be the guy who isn't happy and is going to bitch about it. Third, if I have a budget of $500 for 40K & I see that BG is going to allow FW armies at evert tourney, I'm going to  buy a $500 army from FW, and guess what; that's $500 that BG just lost. Plus the people who arn't going to pay the tourney cost because they don't want to play agenst FW armies/ pay the "extra fee". FW is fun to use every once in a while, but not EVERY tourney. And you know what, whining about not getting what you wanted because Papa Chase said no is not going to get you very far.

/rant

 EDIT:
 And if Battlegrounds didn't really didn't care about making their customers happy, they wouldn't do: 40K Tourneys, 10% discount with receipts, provide amazing game tables that are free to use, pay for this forum, the list goes on and on....

first off. Sarcasm is tough to translate to text. The comment about voting for free stuff was ridiculous. No one is saying that BG should give anything away or not make money. I don't know where you learn how to run a business but I run a construction company and keeping my customers happy makes me alot of money. Unhappy customers generally don't call back. that means lost potential revenue.
I like BG and want them to make money. I will keep supporting them with my patronage.
Chase said he gonna try it out this year so we'll see how it turns out. Im good with that.

[Thomas callahan]

[/quote]
first off. Sarcasm is tough to translate to text. The comment about voting for free stuff was ridiculous. No one is saying that BG should give anything away or not make money. I don't know where you learn how to run a business but I run a construction company and keeping my customers happy makes me alot of money. Unhappy customers generally don't call back. that means lost potential revenue.
I like BG and want them to make money. I will keep supporting them with my patronage.
Chase said he gonna try it out this year so we'll see how it turns out. Im good with that.
[/quote]

People buying from FW is lost revenue as its not sold in the store. And BG always trys to make its customers happy, but just as dylan said, you cant make everyone happy and maybe, just maybe only 5% of the community actually uses the forums and even knows about this thread.

Also, saying "lets vote on it" when its not your call, not your store or events is just down right rude and disrespectful to the people who plan and run the events for everyone but what really got me was you saying this "I don't know where you learn how to run a business Chase and D have been running this business for 10+ years, opened a second store and created a great, friendly and close community and someplace for people to relax and enjoy their hobbies and try to make everyone happy.

Ive been going to the store nearly since it opened and they try their hardest and work their asses off to please everyone. Chase is experimenting on allowing FW into tornaments for a first time in the doubles event. But because of no FW in the singles this whole mess started. BG is faithful to its community and if they see fit to allow FW, they will allow it with no need for this BS of an argument

[the_trooper]

All I got out of this thread was people patting themselves on the back.

lol.

[GossWeapon]

IMHO, people who order from forgeworld often and own tons of the stuff, are not big tournament guys to begin with.

Put it this way, if you buy something you know most tournaments do not support, you can't bitch when a TO says they will not support it.  All this shit about supporting the store is moot.  The thread is about FW in bg events.  Chase is willing to meet you nuts half way and give a couple events where you can bring your FW stuff, thats pretty cool.

If you had fw stuff two years ago at BG, you had a whopping ZERO events they were allowed at.  So shut up and play with your friends or find a store that wants to run all forgeworld events for you.

Every time I check shit on here lately its like watching two eight year olds fight over a toy.  Were grown men playing with little plastic toys.  Calm down and grow up.  Be happy with what you got or shut up.

[andalucien]

GossWeapon, you just made the angriest post in the thread by 10 miles.  Just saying.

[Chase]

Also, in case people missed it earlier the current plan is to offer more events that allow at least some FW models in the future.

The events in Abington will feature FW more prominently.  Events we hold at either location that are at least somewhat intended to be "GT practice" will likely not allow FW rules / units.

So it seems like a decision has been made; I'm curious then, will events in Abington work for your inivtationals?

Some will, some won't.  Same goes for Plainville.

[Chase]

The comment about voting for free stuff was ridiculous.

That was the point. 

Just using a ridiculous example in an effort to illustrate why allowing the community to vote on things that may have a noticeable impact on the bottom line is probably not a great idea.

I am a lot less worried about the long term downside than I was initially.  It is still a concern though.  We'll see how it goes and what the feedback looks like going forward.

The plan even before this thread started was to provide more events that allow FW rules, primarily in Abington.  Maybe not every event there will, but certainly more than zero.

[King of the Elves]

Allowing FW units & FW armies are 2 different things (money wise)

 When you start to allow armies, you take a chance of making money or losing money. Take Eldar Corsairs, a huge chunk of it is Eldar Guardians, things that arn't really selling in 6th edition. You can make some money off allowing that army. But if someone takes DKoK, you have to buy the entire army off of FW, (tanks included to make it a "true" DKoK army). In short, BG can either make some money off of units that don't really sell, or not make any money at all...