Chaos Demons very shortly, apparently.

[Tharcil]

I think looking at any daemon unit in a vacuum is a huge mistake. Bloodcrushers are amazing but they need proper support. With the new book; there is so much synergy it is absolutely insane. It's like a warhammer symphony (I know it's Khorney, but best way to put it.)

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[Bill]

Thank you sir, I lost my head for a moment.

[Sir_Prometheus]

I think looking at any daemon unit in a vacuum is a huge mistake. Bloodcrushers are amazing but they need proper support. With the new book; there is so much synergy it is absolutely insane. It's like a warhammer symphony (I know it's corny, but best way to put it.)

Ehh.....I love synergy.  I see synergies in this book.  I don't see any synergies that keep blood crushers form getting shot to bits.

Maybe them getting shot to bits means those 20 bloodletters with Rage get to charge.  That's cool.  But my shiny juggernauts will still be dead.  And it seems like if you were going to do that then the khorne hounds could do it better, cheaper. 

[keithb]

Rather than say anything, we'll see how they do the end of this month....

[Bill]

I was thinking the 2+ invuln would help them live but what do I know......

[MM3791]

I was thinking the 2+ invuln would help them live but what do I know......

I must've missed something, how do bloodcrushers get 2+ inv?

[Bill]

Rather than say anything, we'll see how they do the end of this month....

I defer to Keith as my response.

[Sir_Prometheus]

No, seriously, I'm really curious as to how you get them a 2++.  Don't be all "I have a secret plans".  The book of true names can get you to 4++, but that's it, AFAIK.

Invisibility can get you a 2+ cover, but that's not an invo save. 

[MM3791]

Maybe someone can figure out how to utilize all the Cavalry/Beast options daemons have, in both the elite and fast slots. That doesn't include the Fleet and Flying monsters in HQ and Heavy.. so yea daemons are a highly mobile army. Did I mention they can deepstrike? 

[Sir_Prometheus]

Well, I don't that you would WANT to deepstrike too often, because that leaves you with a 3rd turn charge at best.  Any of the scouts, beasts and bikes are gonna be able to get a turn 2 charge nearly all the time, anyway. 

There's an idea, put karnak in with some blood letters, now the whole pack of 21 can scout.

[Bill]

Or Karanak in crushers: Synergy!!!

Check my list out in the Dark Star page Matt, I think you will everything you need to get to your answer there.

[MM3791]

Well, I don't that you would WANT to deepstrike too often, because that leaves you with a 3rd turn charge at best.  Any of the scouts, beasts and bikes are gonna be able to get a turn 2 charge nearly all the time, anyway. 

There's an idea, put karnak in with some blood letters, now the whole pack of 21 can scout.

I'd rather deepstrike half my army then slog up the battlefield. Leave the slogging for the faster units 

[Sir_Prometheus]

Or Karanak in crushers: Synergy!!!

Check my list out in the Dark Star page Matt, I think you will everything you need to get to your answer there.

Yeah, all I'm seeing is cover saves. 

[Sir_Prometheus]

Well, I don't that you would WANT to deepstrike too often, because that leaves you with a 3rd turn charge at best.  Any of the scouts, beasts and bikes are gonna be able to get a turn 2 charge nearly all the time, anyway. 

There's an idea, put karnak in with some blood letters, now the whole pack of 21 can scout.

I'd rather deepstrike half my army then slog up the battlefield. Leave the slogging for the faster units 

EIther way you're looking at 1 turn of shooting.  Better have that happen earlier and get your charge earlier. 

[the_trooper]

I blame you Bill.


I blame you for me finally getting off my ass to make that daemon army I've been putting off since... well the last daemon codex.