Thoughts on the Abington Doubles?

[andalucien]

I was about to say "YES, HAVE AN EVENT IN MARCH", but then I remembered that I'm probably going to be out of commission for a few months now.   .  But,

[Sir_Prometheus]

Congrats!....?

[Achillius]

I am a huge fan of objectives being worth a random number of points ...........

Can you explain this part a bit more? Sounds interesting and potentially scary at the same time!

[Sir_Prometheus]

So, the random objectives thing is nice because it changes the placing incentives, but I'm still not sure it keeps the guy who got 3 objectives to place form just placing them along his board edge, if his army is suited for that.  (most are, except for a low-number count army that is also a rush-assault army)

It also has the downside that the victor can be determined more by dice luck than skill.  I don't think that's usually what happens, but it can. 

All told, I think I'd prefer tried and true of the 5 fixed objectives.  Or maybe 3 on the center line, and the players each get to place one?  Variations are possible, but I think it's best to force some to be near the center.

Maybe if you made a special rule that that all objectives have to 12", or even 18" form a board edge, rather than 6"?  That forces things forward a bit, I think that may be good, actually.  At least in Hammer and Anvil it keeps you from putting 3 on your back line, they won't fit. 

[PhoenixFire]

I am a huge fan of objectives being worth a random number of points ...........

Can you explain this part a bit more? Sounds interesting and potentially scary at the same time!

I think he's talking about the way they did it at templecon with each team having 3 objectives. Once they're placed they get randomly assigned a value of 2, 3, and 4 points. At the end of the game you win objectives not by how many objectives you have but by whomever has more points worth of objectives.

[Sir_Prometheus]

Yes, the random pts where each sides objectives will work out to the same pts?  That's good, that works.  The one where's all the ones on the board can be random, and so one side may get 4 pts while the other 2?  That's bad.  I just want to make sure that we don't decide "random pt objectives are good" and then we wind up doing the later case by mistake. 

[Chase]

There's a mission out of the book that does it.  I forget which.

[Mannahnin]

The Scouring.  Six objectives, worth 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, and 4.  The downside to that is that it's likely for one player to wind up starting on a higher value of objectives, which is pretty similar to just giving him more objectives in the first place. 

This is a bit unbalanced, but less of a big deal in the core rulebook mission, because if one player has only a couple more points' worth, the other guy can even that out with VPs from Warlord, First Blood, and Linebreaker, and by killing FA units.  If you're not letting those secondaries be worth VPs toward winning the game, Scouring tends to be more unbalanced than not.

At TempleCon my opponent had the higher point objectives in his backfield, and I was fortunate to be playing a flyer-heavy force so I had the mobility to get to them.  At the end of the game I just barely eked out the win with my Helldrake on one of his objectives, my Overlord contesting another, and my two surviving Necron warriors on his third.  My own backfield had been decimated so I wasn't even holding any of my own.    I still was losing by a point on objectives, but had killed two of his FA (well, one, and his Helldrake was off the table), and that eked me over the top.

[Sir_Prometheus]

Yes, I agree.  Some things are much more balanced when First Blood, Slay the Warlord, Linebreaker are worth as much or almost as much as an objective. 

People seem to have an irrational hatred of them, though, and want them relegated to a very minor amount of points.  That changes the balance, a lot. 

[BrianP]

How much do I want to torture myself by trying to run a Singles event in Plainville the weekend after PAX?  Seems like a bad idea to me, but it's that or no 40k at BG in March.

Hmm...  A choice must be made soon...

Don't you tease me Chase!!! I think it is a wonderful idea... you have to make it happen! 

[GossWeapon]

Just allow forgeworld at every abington event.  please, just be a good chase for once!

[Achillius]

Just allow forgeworld at every abington event.  please, just be a good chase for once!

wow that was you 666th Troll.....

[King of the Elves]

Just allow forgeworld at every abington event.  please, just be a good chase for once!

 This please, FW models make it so much fun, and people in Abington really enjoy it.

[PhoenixFire]

Half of me wants to say "hey since we're doing forgeworld lets go one step further and allow super heavies!"

and before everyone says "OH NOES! you cant do that, they're overpowered!"

*you still have to pay 400 or 500 points for it hurting the rest of your list

*stompas and baneblades still die pretty easy to chainfists and such


just throwing it out there. Maybe allowed them at a event that has forgeworld or a stand alone event like TANKSgiving with a small cost attached to it such as TANKSeaster, TANKS flag day or TANKS memorial day to honor the troops.

I think you would get people to jump at the chance to break out their superheavies they only get to use once or twice a year.

[Mannahnin]

People seemed to really like the early start time at the 500 point event.  I suppose we need to move the start time of every event up to 10am.  Looks like I'll be skipping the start of every single one from here on out! 
It's always mind blowing to me that people want to wake up early on a Saturday, but I'll be the first to admit I operate on a different schedule than most.

Awesome!  Seriously, I'm driving up to two hours with traffic, and I would LOVE for events to start an hour or even an hour and a half earlier.  Getting home around dinnertime is a significant improvement when you've got a wife.    Or getting home early enough to watch a movie or something with her if I decide to grab a beer and a bite with the guys.

How much do I want to torture myself by trying to run a Singles event in Plainville the weekend after PAX?  Seems like a bad idea to me, but it's that or no 40k at BG in March.

Do eeet!  Make it 1850 for Adepticon practice!