GW is now a member of the GOP or The New Flier book.

[Sir_Prometheus]

You don't really need to own the book if you want to use a SR in your BT list.  Don't be silly. 

[PhoenixFire]

The new faqs out changed skies of blood and shadow skies to a universal "skies of fury" which i assume this new flyer book will also give this universal rule to vanilla and BT as well.

In fact there's already an FAQ out on the new flyer book saying if you take a storaven for GK it must take mindstrike missiles.

Personally i won't be wasting the money as i only have a small vanilla force and am not really a fan of fliers in general.

[Bill]

Do BT and SM both get "blood" strike missiles?

[GossWeapon]

Do BT and SM both get "blood" strike missiles?

RUMOR has it that they get unique missiles, or a new generic missile.  There is another RUMOR for chapter specific upgrades which could look like this:

XYZ missile (black templars only)
Blessed Hull +15 (black templars only)

[Mannahnin]

Word from folks with the iCodex is that the SM SR is just like the BA one, except that instead of Bloodstrike missiles you get S8 AP2 Concussive.

[Chase]

Here's the deal with this book as of today:

It was "Available to Order" only (GW Direct Order only).  It was not advertised to stores ahead of time.  I CAN order it like a normal "special order" now... except for the fact that it's sold out.

[Sir_Prometheus]

Word from folks with the iCodex is that the SM SR is just like the BA one, except that instead of Bloodstrike missiles you get S8 AP2 Concussive.

Consussive actually has some good uses.  But then, so do mindstrikes. 

[the_trooper]

Points change for the storm talon and it seems other rules changes. Should be interesting. Maybe the valkyrie went up in points.

[PhoenixFire]

Points change for the storm talon and it seems other rules changes. Should be interesting. Maybe the valkyrie went up in points.

Usually when there are points changes they put them in the FAQs. If they start changing points in this book and not the codex they are basically saying "hey you HAVE to buy this book if you want to use it"

Of course this IS GW and the last few years their company policy has been price hikes and "need to buy" items.

So i guess i wouldn't be surprised, this is an interesting snippit from BOLS though...

There also seems to be some hidden asset type rules as well; "There are even special manoeuvres that can be taken by pilots, such as the brutal Dark Eldar slash attack, the Necron firing protocols or the aptly named 'Smash 'em' for the Orks, which essentially results in a mid-air collision."

Will be interesting to see what these "special" rules are and if tournament organizers are going to allow them

[Mannahnin]

I doubt the Valk/Vendetta changed point costs; the updated IG codex FAQ doesn't point you to DftS for its rules.

[Grand Master Steve]

I heard because of this book many stores want to boy cot GW as it hurts their clients. I had no idea it was a direct only. I bought it off line because I got overly excited and thought BG was going to get some just not until much latter. I read a bunch of stores are banning the book and its rules as well as offering people to trade for Privateer press stuff.

Personaly Privateer press has been on my crap list since Its impossible to get models you want right away. I order shifting stones before BG abington moved and I still dont have shifting stones. I think they are just as bad to clients as GW. I think the new rules will be fun and im sure people like myself who did manage to get a copy are happy to share with the rest of the community new rule changes. You cant hog new rules to your self any way, how are people you play supposed to know what your stuff does?

[Sir_Prometheus]

I really don't think there's much in the way of new rules.  Maybe a dog fight system for flyers, and system akin to stratagems for flyers?  No one will ever use either in a tournament, and rarely even in casual games. 

[Grand Master Steve]

I know it has rules for new fliers and Stormravens for regular marines and black templars

[the_trooper]

Here's the deal with this book as of today:

It was "Available to Order" only (GW Direct Order only).  It was not advertised to stores ahead of time.  I CAN order it like a normal "special order" now... except for the fact that it's sold out.

Well, that's certainly good news. Well, regardless of reason, I'm glad GW stopped some of it's stupidity. I'll pick it up when Cale can get it then. There was no way I would go directly to GW for this.

[Loranus]

The only NEW Rules in the Book are the Flyers for Space Marines and Black Templar the Dogfighting Rules and all that are in Crusade of Fire I think it is. Most of the Scenarios were introduced I think in White Dwarf as well when they released the Storm Talon and Ork Flyers.

I cant convince myself to get upset over this at all. It is a Book that is direct order they done direct order only stuff before usually with their hobby supplies. It cuts out for them all the crap of what happened to Gamer's Edition and Collector's Edition versions of books where you had so many orders coming in from too many sources and needed to tell customers nope sorry.

Privateer Press has had it's share of Major Screw ups with pieces such as with the Khador Colossal when they were missing was it the Legs or Torso.

I wish Games Workshop would open its Digital Books to a different platform than the IOS though.