Comp list/Army restrictions/points bonus for older codexes?

[MM3791]

It seems like comp list/points bonuses in Fantasy is very popular, are we going to see that appear in 40k tourneys? It seems like the biggest problem is a lot of armies have weak anti-air against powerhouse lists with 6 flyers.. if not it looks like the 6th ed will take another year to get the rest of the codexes up to par..

[Sir_Prometheus]

If so, I think the best way to deal with that is with mission types that slightly penalize flyers.....such as Nova (and others).  I think there's a bit of a consensus that NOVA may have over-nerfed flyers, or at least vehicles, generally, though. 

[PhoenixFire]

If so, I think the best way to deal with that is with mission types that slightly penalize flyers.....such as Nova (and others).  I think there's a bit of a consensus that NOVA may have over-nerfed flyers, or at least vehicles, generally, though.

You still think flying circus lists are that popular? i didn't see any last tournament, seems they are losing popularity and will continue to do so as more and more flakk choices show up. Coupled with them not being able to contest, count for table quarters etc.

The chaos helldrakes and its flamers are pretty terrifying though

[Seth]

I think if it is really that big of a deal for a player then they should take them as allies and do it themselves otherwise learn to deal because that is how it is.

[MM3791]

Hmm, I wasn't aware that NOVA nerfed flyers.. how so?

[Grand Master Steve]

Every one has the ability to purchase Quad Flak Guns or Icarus Las Cannons. Every one practicly has fliers now. Really it should not be that big of a problem since fliers are Glass Cannons if you can hit them cleanly.

I would accept any one bringing a redicilious amount of fliers. Once delt with they dont have any points left for troop units to hold objectives. I think Fliers are great but to many eat your ability to hold objectives. I use them to push enemy troops off objectives and try to get my own units onto them.

[Benjamin]

It seems like comp list/points bonuses in Fantasy is very popular, are we going to see that appear in 40k tourneys?

Comp attempts to balance what will never be balanced.

That said, I'll never not look at anything. If people want to put together rules like this, show us what they would look like.

[keithb]

Every one has the ability to purchase Quad Flak Guns or Icarus Las Cannons. Every one practicly has fliers now. Really it should not be that big of a problem since fliers are Glass Cannons if you can hit them cleanly.

O RLY?  I can't take Quad Flak Guns or Icarus Las cannons,  My fliers have 4 wounds and can vector strike at STR 6 at best.

[Seth]

defense line upgrades or the bunker upgrades i was pretty sure gave you some.

[keithb]

Tyranids are specifically not allowed to man the guns in any fortification.

[wheelchairman]

But you can still take them though keith?

[MM3791]

Comp attempts to balance what will never be balanced.

That said, I'll never not look at anything. If people want to put together rules like this, show us what they would look like.

I only ask because weaker Fantasy armies like Beastmen and Tomb Kings get to use an additional 200 points, while stronger armies like Daemons or Dark Elves get restrictions on some of their units. I'm not sure how that would translate to 40k

[keithb]

Comp attempts to balance what will never be balanced.

That said, I'll never not look at anything. If people want to put together rules like this, show us what they would look like.

I only ask because weaker Fantasy armies like Beastmen and Tomb Kings get to use an additional 200 points, while stronger armies like Daemons or Dark Elves get restrictions on some of their units. I'm not sure how that would translate to 40k

Fantasy does do a pretty good job, though the best books typically remain the best.  Fantasy also has a harder time with balance as certain armies do not have much of a ranged threat and have to engage.

[MM3791]

Fantasy does do a pretty good job, though the best books typically remain the best.  Fantasy also has a harder time with balance as certain armies do not have much of a ranged threat and have to engage.

I don't see why that matters, Beastmen and Daemons are both heavy CC armies but they are on the opposite end of the power spectrum. Beastmen get to use an extra 200 points to balance, and Daemons get unit and magic item restrictions to balance.

I know Fantasy does a good job, thats why I asked why they can't do it for 40k.

[Grimwulfe]

The main reason why they dont do it is because the 40k and Fantasy mindests are COMPLETELY different.  Where the fantasy population has taken it upon themselves to change the game 40k players do not have that drive as a whole.

It all comes down to the personalities of the gaming population.