GD Australia and IA/Forgeworld units at touraments

[andalucien]

It's also sort of a "momentum" or chicken-and-egg thing.  GT's tend to want to set up rules that reflect the way that most people play locally.  And locally GT attenders tend to want to practice for GT's.  Somebody has to set the trend with format changes.  Let's be on the cutting edge!

[Sir_Prometheus]

Most Forgeworld units are slightly under-powered.  Almost every Land Raider variant is broken as crap, though. 

[Grimwulfe]

With hull points and the way tanks work now I still dont see an issue with a 300 pt landraider.  Overall trand setting I dont see happening.  Will BG incluse FW in touries yes..  But it be in ALL tournies no...  Should that be the way it works..  Most definitely

[andalucien]

Yeah there is an upper limit to how good a 300 pt vehicle with av14 and 4 hull points can be...  and I think that upper limit is "not very good".   With the "glance to kill" rule and the "always getting hit on a 3+ in CC" rule, there are umpteen things (newly in 6th) that can easilty take out such a vehicle quickly...  any dreadnought, any monstrous creature, a unit of 4 scarabs, anything with haywire, etc etc.

[Grimwulfe]

Wow my typing sucks today...  What is the difference between IA and FW btw?

[MM3791]

Wow my typing sucks today...  What is the difference between IA and FW btw?

Good question, as a lot of people seem confused. Forge World is the subsidiary company of Games Workshop.. IA is the series of rules supplements(books) to the Warhammer 40,000 table-top game that Forgeworld creates.

When I say allow IA, I did not mean Apocolyse units like Titans and such, just the regular stuff like aircraft, tanks, and infantry. For example, my Eldar would creatly benefit from such units as the Firestorm tank(AA tank that shoots down fliers), Shadow Spectre Aspect Warriors, Corsairs(which die just as badly as Guardians expect they have better weapons and mobility), as well as a whole slew of aircraft that the current Eldar codex desperately lacks. "The Trooper" made a similar comparasion with his Chaos Marine units in his first post.

[Loranus]

Ok fine cause I can't afford the book because I am poor and I dont see an updated 6th edition datasheet on Forgeworld what are the Stats/Abilities for say the Firestorm Tank?

[andalucien]

it gets 6 twin-linked str 6 shots, with skyfire and interceptor.  Kinda underwhelming against a Vendetta or a StormRaven now that I look at it.

[Loranus]

How many Points and whats its BS and the AP on the gun?

[MM3791]

This is the lastest IA book they are pushing "Autonautica", featuring fully updated 6th Edition rules for 34 flyers and 13 anti-aircraft units fielded by the Imperial Navy, Space Marines, Orks, Eldar, Tyranids, Tau Empire, Necrons, Dark Eldar and Chaos.

Full description in link below.
 


http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_AERONAUTICA.html

[Sir_Prometheus]

With hull points and the way tanks work now I still dont see an issue with a 300 pt landraider.  Overall trand setting I dont see happening.  Will BG incluse FW in touries yes..  But it be in ALL tournies no...  Should that be the way it works..  Most definitely

I wouldn't weep for the LR, I think they'll do ok overall, AV 14 is still hard to even glance.

I'm too lazy to check, but I know they gave one of their LRs five hull points.  I think, (assume) it was the one that only held 6 models but was basically indestructible, immune to melta, -1 on the chart, blah blah.  Put a techmarine in it if you want to be extra stupid. 

And there's one that has like 4 TL lascannons? (or 2 Heavy 2 lascannons, same diff)

One of them holds like 20, 25 models, I think.  I remember it was enough for 10 termies + ICs.  Deathstars took some hits, but c'mon. 

People underestimate LRs, but I could do ridiculous things with any of those. 

[Grimwulfe]

And I could do rediculous things with str 10 barage weapons but that doesnt make them over powered does it?

Its still AV 14 MANY things have an answer for that.

[Sir_Prometheus]

Yeah, things can have a counter, and still be overpowered, right? 

[Grimwulfe]

Not when the points for them is rediculous.  Its alot of points to get any of those.  I dont see any of them being unbalanced.

[MM3791]

Eldar Shadow Spectres are armed with prism rifles, maybe we can test them on your super Landraider lol