Warhammer 40k 6th Edition Rules Questions

[Typhus]

This is an interesting distinction. I do not buy your last point, allied detachments still have a troops section, but the difference between what is an enemy to me vs my models is interesting.

Right, I was just pointing out the extremes in a RAW/RAI discussion.

Basically instead of getting caught up on the word "enemy" in:

"You control an objective if there is at least one model from one of your scoring units, and no models from enemy denial units, within 3" of it."

you are reading it to be more like:

"You control an objective if there is at least one model from one of your scoring units, and no models from opponent's denial units, within 3" of it."

which makes sense.
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That's basically it.  Everything in the allied section refers to "your army" not "individual units".

[the_trooper]

Thread-o-mancy?

So, Chaos bikes... Can you switch out the bike's bolter for a different weapon?

Models with a Chaos bike may use their twin linked bolter as the replacement when the Chaos Wargear Lists says, “a model can replace one weapon with…”

[Sir_Prometheus]

Yes.  Leaving you the bonus attack from the pistol.  It's probably a little noticed but important buff compared to other bikes. 

[Sir_Prometheus]

Oh, and it'n threadomacy, that's what this thread is for. 


Serious question for Sam:  What IS the cover save behind a Bastion?  Not on the battlements, but a tank hunkered mostly behind it or similar.

I won't go through the special reasons for each of the possible answers, any ruling is fine, just so I never have to argue about it in a game again. 

[Sam]

4+.

[Benjamin]

Best rules question in a long time tonight, posed by our youngest Thursday 40k regular Argo.

"Does a Relic held by a model embarked in a Night Scythe go into Reserve with the model holding it after the Night Scythe inevitably crashes?"

Really, RAW doesn't address this specific situation at all, so it could go either way.

The ruling, made by Sam after ten minutes of poring over books, is that the Relic could not be placed "reserve" space as it is effectively impassible. So we follow the procedure for the Relic ending in impassible terrain and then scatter the Relic 1" from the vehicle.

So a question and an answer.

Edit: Whoops, missed an important "not" in that explanation.

[Loranus]

Thread-o-mancy?

So, Chaos bikes... Can you switch out the bike's bolter for a different weapon?

Models with a Chaos bike may use their twin linked bolter as the replacement when the Chaos Wargear Lists says, “a model can replace one weapon with…”

It is right out of the book that you can do it so I don't understand why they FAQed it?

[Sir_Prometheus]

4+.

Thank you. 

[andalucien]

Thread-o-mancy?

So, Chaos bikes... Can you switch out the bike's bolter for a different weapon?

Models with a Chaos bike may use their twin linked bolter as the replacement when the Chaos Wargear Lists says, “a model can replace one weapon with…”

It is right out of the book that you can do it so I don't understand why they FAQed it?

I think they are talking about e.g. a Lord on a bike subsituting out the bike's bolter for a Burning Brand of Scalathrax, rather than needing to replace one of his combat weapons (thus, he gains an attack this way). 
Army Builder doesn't let you do this btw.  So there must be at least some folks out there who don't think it should be allowed, & merits an FAQ

[Sir_Prometheus]

Yes, army builder is wrong, they don't let you do it for the FA slot, either.

"Up to two bikes may replace either their ccw or their bikes TL boltgun...."

That's pretty unequivocal.

[Mannahnin]

"Does a Relic held by a model embarked in a Night Scythe go into Reserve with the model holding it after the Night Scythe inevitably crashes?"

Really, RAW doesn't address this specific situation at all, so it could go either way.

The ruling, made by Sam after ten minutes of poring over books, is that the Relic could not be placed "reserve" space as it is effectively impassible. So we follow the procedure for the Relic ending in impassible terrain and then scatter the Relic 1" from the vehicle.

This is a pretty important ruling.  There's another hole in the Relic rules in that they don't specify exactly WHEN/WHERE the model drops the Relic if he moves faster than allowed with it.  Ff you were allowed to make your full 12" (say, for a biker) move with it and drop it at the END, that would be extremely powerful and seemingly against the intention of the move restrictions. 

As a note, the new Adepticon FAQ has ruled that for all such instances, and for any instance when the carrying model leaves the table (including the Night Scythe attempted shenanigans), the Relic is dropped from the position where the carrying model began that phase. 

http://www.adepticon.org/wpfiles/2013/40KAddendum.pdf

[Benjamin]

That's strange to me, because it's pretty clear that the Relic can't be moved more than 6". I'd just as well have assumed that a model moving faster simply drops the relic in the middle of moving, should he be moving more than 6".

[Sir_Prometheus]

Oh, here's a question Sam, where I will once again not mention all the different factors to the argument.

Do Hurricane Bolters (on a LRC, say) benefit from the DA devastation banner?

[Typhus]

Oh, here's a question Sam, where I will once again not mention all the different factors to the argument.

Do Hurricane Bolters (on a LRC, say) benefit from the DA devastation banner?

Why wouldn't they?  Hurricane is three twinlinked Boltguns that fire as a single system.  Dev banner specifically states it works on Boltguns.  As the hurricane boltguns have the exact same profile as a boltergun (unlike a Heavy Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Storm Bolter, ad nauseum that have different profiles), I see no reason why the banner would not affect it.

[Sir_Prometheus]

Because they're not boltguns?

Anyway, I in no way want to reopen the argument on them, I just want a ruling from Sam.