6th edition product pictures (from Spanish WD or something)

[keithb]

Why not, any time a company blately rips you off, why not just take it for free?

Consider the music industry in the late 90s or the movie rental industry.   Both of them had to chance because people got sick of them basically ripping them off on EVERY purchase.   Netflix does fine, redbox does fine, Blockbuster with 2$ a day late fees? No,  26$ for a CD with 9 songs? No thanks. 

 Look at it like this, your on a local stores forum that they pay for, where you also play 40K on thier tables, free of charge and your talking about how it is "right" to pirate a rulebook (that is illegal in the first place)  and that store also sells the rulebook and makes prifit from it. So if you pirate the rulebook you are not only stealing from GW but stealing from Battlegrounds. I'm a 15 year old kid with a crappy job that pays $20 a week, while still saving for a car and college. So if I have to not buy models for a couple weeks or not go out with friends this weekend to save money for this rulebook, just so I can buy it from battlegrounds and not pirate it, then so be it. Pay where you play, thats my motto.

I don't think my support of the store is in question, I buy plenty of stuff from Battleground games.  What I take exception to is GW's price levels which have nothing to do with the store.  Just because I want Battleground to succeed and like Chase/Derek et. al.  Doesn't mean I will allow myself to be constantly ripped off.  I can still buy Warmachine and Magic cards at the store if I want.   GW will continue to raise prices as long as people keep buying it.  When they stop, they will lower them again. 

If Chase/Derek had a problem with my post, they could let me know, either posting or pm or email or phone.

[jonm]

I'm with Keith. I support a couple of stores in the area, and spend an approximate amount at each one on a monthly basis. Its not a question of whether or not I'll shop at those locations, its a question of how big of a cut of my money GW is getting. Since 40k and Fantasy are no longer the only two games I play, and with prices bordering on the absurd, their share is getting smaller and smaller. I think I've spent $37 on GW this year. Conversely I've pumped hundreds into Warmachine, Infinity and other smaller games since I feel there's greater value there.

What I'd love to know is GW's long-term financial plan. I'd like to know how they plan on getting new players once the current market is exhausted (see: death, real life expenses taking over, new interests, etc). 6th edition looks command over $100 in start-up costs before models are even factored in ($75 rulebook, $13 Psychic Power Cards, $30+ codex). After than you'll need like 1500-2000pts of stuff. I suppose the starter box alleviates some of this if you're interested in one of the armies in the box (or if you know you can sell off components you don't require).

[the_trooper]

It's more of a... social norm.  I know this is a game store AND gamers tend to not care for such things but please, think of the search engines going through these posts.

So do it for google and yahoo parsing out words to search so people don't get in trouble / you don't fuel people's apathy for supporting a game store.

We get it, you are annoyed at GW.  Then don't buy that product but for Christ's sake, have some class about it.

[keithb]

It's more of a... social norm.  I know this is a game store AND gamers tend to not care for such things but please, think of the search engines going through these posts.

So do it for google and yahoo parsing out words to search so people don't get in trouble / you don't fuel people's apathy for supporting a game store.

We get it, you are annoyed at GW.  Then don't buy that product but for Christ's sake, have some class about it.

Please GW does not pay attention to its gaming community, it never has, and it seems like it never will.  There is nothing "classless" about having this discussion anywhere, least of all here.  I will continue to buy my gaming things at Battlegrounds, be they models, books, paints, glue, whatever.  As I said before, I've always been respectful of Derek/Chase's wishes in regards to this forum, and if they have an issue, they will let me know.  Feel free to discuss this with me/us if you want, but don't deputize yourself and tell me what I can/can't do on someone else's forum.

[the_trooper]

It's more of a... social norm.  I know this is a game store AND gamers tend to not care for such things but please, think of the search engines going through these posts.

So do it for google and yahoo parsing out words to search so people don't get in trouble / you don't fuel people's apathy for supporting a game store.

We get it, you are annoyed at GW.  Then don't buy that product but for Christ's sake, have some class about it.

Please GW does not pay attention to its gaming community, it never has, and it seems like it never will.  There is nothing "classless" about having this discussion anywhere, least of all here.  I will continue to buy my gaming things at Battlegrounds, be they models, books, paints, glue, whatever.  As I said before, I've always been respectful of Derek/Chase's wishes in regards to this forum, and if they have an issue, they will let me know.  Feel free to discuss this with me/us if you want, but don't deputize yourself and tell me what I can/can't do on someone else's forum.

So you can tell me what I can do but I can't tell you what to do.

Looks like you counter deputized me.

[keithb]

Didn't seem to work 

[the_trooper]

Didn't seem to work 

u mad bro?

[Chase]

Let's try to stay on topic.

Which is being excited about a new ruleset. 


If it matters Keith has already preordered the book and cards.

[King of the Elves]

Let's try to stay on topic.

Which is being excited about a new ruleset. 

 touche

[the_trooper]

Let's try to stay on topic.

Which is being excited about a new ruleset. 


If it matters Keith has already preordered the book and cards.

No but you asking us to stay on topic does.

[Banosby]

But Chase, I was excited about having a high-minded discussion about the merits of Capitalism!

[Chase]

But Chase, I was excited about having a high-minded discussion about the merits of Capitalism!

I have zero problem with a discussion like this taking place in a different thread.  I'd actually be interested in reading a high-minded discussion on the topic. 

[Banosby]

You start one, and I'll pretend like I know what I'm talking about:)

[Mike_k]

Hobbies are somewhat frivolous expenses if you got the money and you want to spend it, do so. I agree though GW has a strong enough following of people who dont care about the price (within reason) and just continue to shop that a few people pirating etc wont make a dent enough for them to notice.

[PhoenixFire]

More early leaks from white dwarf

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/06/sneak-peak-on-6th-edition-rules-from.html#more

We have some early information on rules and 6th edition in general taken out of the latest White Dwarf. This is a sneak peak into some of the stuff that everyone will start seeing tomorrow and over the next few days.

Some reports are conflicting on some of the details that we have heard throughout the internet, however these are collected directly out of the White Dwarf, from different articles, battle reports, army presentation, and an introductory article regarding the goals of 6th edition

the rulebook itself
- full of fluff and coverage for things that werent coverec a lot in the past
- the goal is to make the game more "cinematic"
- end of rulebook is an overview of all weapons, powers , hull points, psi powers and more fluff (how to treat laswounds on the battlefield)

general rules
- charge range (going into cc) is 2d6, jumppacks seem to enable you to REROLL it ( or it is a special rule thing, might be BA exclusive)
- wound allocation to the closest miniatures in the unit. no info if wound groups are removed
- i might have misunderstood it but : every model counts as an individual now(like in lord of the rings?) would explain the new wound allocation.
- FOC has been EXPANDED for allies, this would mean that its still foc, not percentages
- vehicle squadrons also improve shooting -> line of sight related
- there will be many rules to bring "movie-like action scenes" to the tabletop

- "defensive fire" and "snap fire" are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT things!
- "defensive fire" "additional shooting phase" for assaulted units at bs 1. NO(!!!) mention of restrictions regarding WHAT WEAPONS can be fired. the usual restrictions should apply regarding flamethrowers (no usage if own model is in line of fire)

- "snap fire" shooting after movement and hitting on a 6, lascannons (and thus all HWs) can do it. land raiders can move 6" and shoot all weapons (1 normal, 1 via machine spirit and 2 snapshots with multi-melta and storm cannon) and a stunned cybot snap fired with a

multi-melta in one of the battle reports

hull points
- cybots have 3 hull points like "battle tanks"
- land raiders, soul grinders, ghost arc have 4

abilities
- rage is renamed to berserk : +2 attacks in melee
- smash for jumpers --> going into cc directly
- monstrous creatures can halve their attacks but double the strength
- flying monstrous creatures get their ability too, flying 24", ignoring all weapons but anti-air ones and hit enemies they flew over with (str + w3 + 1)
- "GRENADE!" the unit mentioned is a sargeant throwing a grenade and destroying the enemy unit - no further info.
- "evasive manouvers" for landspeeders : +5 cover save normal +4 when boosting and at max. velocity
- forebarence : eldar runeprophets have it - usual bf for defensive fire
- grey knights scriptors can get mastery grade 3
- warlord traits can be passed to psykers (might be only related to GKs)
- sharpshooters can choose what target they hit on a 6 (necron eliminators)
- rapid fire weapons still shoot max distance after moving (possibly even the full amount of shots!)
- tesla weapons get an additional hit when throwing a 6 on the to-hit throws
- gauss weapons remove 1 hull point on a 6 at pen throws
- tau battle suits can fall back 2d6 in the melee phase
- apparently you can bodyguard all special characters (non independent ones on a +4)

equipment
- psi matrix +4 save for psi resistance on 6"
- power axe or powerfist needed to deny 2+ armor throws so they're either ap 1 or ap 2 or both ap 1 or ap 2

independent characters
- character models can - under certain circumstances - pick their target individually
- duelling like in warhammer
- "there are many possibilities for unknown heroes to gain fame and honor" possible hints to even more things to make the game more "cinematic" ?
- Warlords roll on a trait table (leadership, combat, tactics)

flyers :
- always come in as reserves
- some weapons have the "anti air" special rule
- hard to hit when flying at max distance
- fly on 2 "levels" far above ground (cant let passengers exit, but is only hittable by anti-air weaponry) and closer to the ground (easier to hit but can load out passengers)
- destroying a flyer results in debris hitting the battlefield, damaging units

terrain and battlefield itself
- mysterious forest like in warhammer - random properties when entering
- ruins are difficult terrain, +4 cover save
- thick bushes +5 cover save and difficult terrain
- imperial statue provide fearless to imperial armies in 2" (sob, sm and ig)
- fuel barrels etc +5 cover save, if it passes d6 --> 1 barrel explodes and does s3 to surrounding units
- fortress of redemption --> 220 pts
- craters +5 cover save
- modifiers for the whole battlefield like : higher or lower gravity, poisonous atmospheres
- usable ruins, artifacts that can turn the tide of battle

buildings :
- go into the deployment zone
- skyshield landing platform : arrival of reserves can be controlled
- buildings can be upgraded - communications relais and anti-air weaponry
- bastions have av 14
- tank blockers are impassable for vehicles, dangerous terrain for bikes. provide +4 cover save
- aegis defence lines provide a +4 cover save and +1 when going to ground

missions :
- six "bloody encounters" with different goals and/or objectives : "explore and hold"
-some objectives have special abilites (aiming systems, gravity wave generator) or are, for example mined (random properties?),
- some missions make certain units scoring , fast attack units or even vehicles ("big guns never rest") but turn them into 1 "win-point" when killed/destroyed
- three secondary objectives : kill the warlord , first blood, breakthrough (invading the enemies deployment zone), each is worth 1 "win-point"
- rulebook section with scenarios to inspire the players to develop their own campains and missions

allies :
- appearantly needed is 1 hq + 1 stan.

Psi :
- the chart tells us if you can take the rulebooks psi-abilities or only the ones from your codex


Extra Info:
paultwilsons post about the abhuman is absolutely right. its part of the "armies in 6th edition" presentation. right next to it is chris peachs imperial army where he used imperial pistoliers parts etc from warhammer to create a pretty cool imperial guard army! look forward to those ones! feathers and old-school helmets!