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Logan007

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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2009, 04:03:30 PM »
You could also say that having rob put that many titans together results in a massive firepower zone of the field, one that could very well counter many things that were thrown at it.


Is that really fair though?  I mean, whoever's across from me is boned if I have to concentrate most of my firepower there.  And I would for protection of my titans since they're all in one place.

The fluff reasoning that armies wouldn't want to intermingle makes sense, but I'd imagine titans would spread out, since this battlefield is comparatively small on their scale.

I think it'll balance out: If you deploy 2nd, we'll get a turn to react before you can shoot. if you deploy first, then we can adjust our deployment to counter you.

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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2009, 04:44:03 PM »
Storm of Iron-

They setup to defend the titans (each other) and left the IG to die to the Iron Warriors.  Just sayin'.

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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2009, 04:45:16 PM »
You could also say that having rob put that many titans together results in a massive firepower zone of the field, one that could very well counter many things that were thrown at it.


Is that really fair though?  I mean, whoever's across from me is boned if I have to concentrate most of my firepower there.  And I would for protection of my titans since they're all in one place.

The fluff reasoning that armies wouldn't want to intermingle makes sense, but I'd imagine titans would spread out, since this battlefield is comparatively small on their scale.

Your weapons have a range greater than most armies.  If you setup across from someone, we will be ready. ;)

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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2009, 05:56:29 PM »
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180078_Chaos_Space_Marines_Datasheet_-_Plague_of_Zombies.pdf

The plague zombie units for the plague of zombies datasheet aren't assigned a "slot" (elites, hq, troops, etc). Can they claim objectives?

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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2009, 06:46:34 PM »
I guess the answer should be "no."

I'm being told that many special units created by data sheets aren't given slots.

I am also under the impression that if the unit were intended to be considered "troops" (or anything at all, I guess) that the data sheet would specify...  An example of this is The Green Tide.

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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #80 on: January 04, 2009, 07:03:04 PM »
I guess the answer should be "no."

I'm being told that many special units created by data sheets aren't given slots.

I am also under the impression that if the unit were intended to be considered "troops" (or anything at all, I guess) that the data sheet would specify...  An example of this is The Green Tide.

Thoughts?

That sounds fair.

Now I know who's going to be in the vanguard of the army :P

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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #81 on: January 05, 2009, 05:50:21 AM »
I see the argument that bob is making, but sadly this is countered simply by the fact that one can move their forces in the movement phase.  Of course a stand and shoot army will be hard pressed in this situation, mostly because the ideal situation is to deploy and not move after that.  A counter argument can be made then that allowing player to deploy where ever results in a clump of gun lines that is near impossible to tackle.  Of course you can really argue anything in any situation.  The counter I would say to robs deployment problem is simply that yes you must deploy in your deployment zone but after that are allowed to march in reserves from your teams side.  This gives a teams reserves the chance to come in where needed.  You could also say that having rob put that many titans together results in a massive firepower zone of the field, one that could very well counter many things that were thrown at it.


And for fluff reasons I'm with the whole own deployment zone idea because in an actual war a few of these armies while willing to work "together" are not thrilled about working side by side.  Plus, any of the defending armies while having intel on the attack would not necessarily know how or where forces were coming with what armor or troops.  I just don't see it as being fluffy that a side could really coordinate their armies within multiple deployment zones to effectively deal with what threats are dropped across from them.  That is why armies would come to the fight balanced in the first place.

Color me dubious.  Titans are not organized that way.  Each company of infantry doesn't have an attached Titan or an attached fighter wing or an attached heavy artillery company, or an attached anti aircraft battery.  These are often strategic assets organized under their own commands and spread out to cover wide fronts.  You don't assign fighter wings an area of front to defend.  Clumping a bunch of titans together without a screening force in front of them is absurd.  We have players coming in who have been for months building forces with all infantry, others with little to no infantry.  Some have many exotic big things, some have none.  This last minute change is significantly impacting how forces are organized or will fight.  If the game was intended to enforce balanced armies only, we should have been told a lot sooner.

I'd suggest that if a heavy force lacks screening front line units, adjacent forces with appropriate units might be allowed to spread out to cover an extended front.  A primarily heavy force that allows adjacent units to cover it's front might be allowed to deploy in adjacent rear areas.  This might allow players who intended to play a strategic team oriented game to deploy rationally while preventing too heavy a concentration of forces at vital areas.

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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #82 on: January 05, 2009, 08:02:26 AM »
I guess the answer should be "no."

I'm being told that many special units created by data sheets aren't given slots.

I am also under the impression that if the unit were intended to be considered "troops" (or anything at all, I guess) that the data sheet would specify...  An example of this is The Green Tide.

Thoughts?

I'd like to be careful here, because we do have some people who take things literally some times. If a datasheet is made up of units that are troop choices per their codex, then obviously being part of a data-sheet does not counter this. For example, nearly every imperial data sheet in the book :)

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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #83 on: January 05, 2009, 09:00:29 AM »
I don't think anyone is going to argue a data sheet consisting of codex troop choices prevents those units from holding an objective.  I always just assumed it gave those units some additional rules.  I.E.  the space marine battle company, all those troop choices still can hold an objective. 

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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #84 on: January 05, 2009, 11:31:29 AM »
I don't think


Behold the power of removing context....

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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #85 on: January 05, 2009, 01:49:49 PM »
hahahaha.


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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2009, 02:46:40 PM »
I have a question, Do the forge world Demons count as HQ choices or as just a monsterous creature?  For example Trophy Kill reads as "must reveal the most expensive hq"
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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #87 on: January 05, 2009, 03:40:13 PM »
I have a question, Do the forge world Demons count as HQ choices or as just a monsterous creature?  For example Trophy Kill reads as "must reveal the most expensive hq"

The datasheet does not specify. Back in the day, pre apocalypse, it counted as an HQ.




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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2009, 05:04:07 PM »
As a man fielding one, I'll go ahead and offer my two cents:

As they use the rules for summoning a greater daemon, which is an HQ choice, why not let it count as an HQ?  Besides it would be fitting to have hunting such a daemon be a trophy kill.  Since Lee won't be posting (sober), I'll talk for him too :P.

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Re: Annual Megabattle Rules Questions
« Reply #89 on: January 05, 2009, 05:24:28 PM »
Well, if my zombies don't count as troops, An'ggrath can't count as an HQ :) besides, greater daemons don't count as any slot in the CSM codex right?

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