Ret list review.

[keithb]

So, I played in a 50pt steamroller today.  All games were extremely close.  I definitely need more practice with ret before doing 50 point timed turns.   Here is what I brought.

Kaelyssa
-Pheonix
Full invictors, UA
MHSF, UA
AFG
Destor Thane x2
MHA
Ghost Sniper x2
arcanist.

And

Rahn
-Pheonix
Battle mages x2
full halberds, UA, Souless
stormfall archers
Destor thane x2
Scyreth Issen
MHA x2
Narn
Arcanist.


I liked my Kaelyssa list a lot, my Rahn list took to long to play turns out and that hurt me.  For Kaelyssa, I am going to add Ayania + Holt and drop the ghost snipers.

[Ian Mulligan]

I'm glad to see you used that list you played with me. Double Destors is so rough. Despite loving that list, I can definitely see the desire to use A&H. You've got a lot of shots, but none of them really break hard armor. I think it'll be a beast now. How did the Battle Engine do?

I'm not surprised to hear that about the Rahn list. It looks like it generates about a million rolls every turn. It's probably worse on feat turn. Shame, it looks like a nice list. No Magisters, though? I'm a little surprised by that, but I suppose you make up for it by being less feat dependent. Did you find yourself missing them?

[keithb]

Yeah, In round 3 I played a terminus infantry jam, and basically killed everything except Terminus and Gerlack in 2 turns.   But found myself lacking in taking out hard targets. 

The AFG did well.  It forced Danny to feat with eSkarre early when he realized DeathJack was standing in water and I have a RAT 9 shot with knockdown.  It is good at taking out models that are incoporeal and hitting key models from far away.

Did not miss magisters, I just left Rahn a little too close to greatbears (I forgot that eButcher's fear allows them to activate AGAIN.  I just thought he handed out "focus" to units.  My own mistake.  Too many rolls though.  I think my Rahn list will do much better once the new jacks are out and I have less units.  Turns took too long.  So I either need to get better/faster with is, or change it.   I am liking Kaelyssa more than Rahn though.   Trying to think of another caster to use.   Possibly Garryth....

[DragonKnight]

Perhaps the Hydra in List 1, with AFG it has Range 17", then with Phantom seeker it can keep those pesky casters at bay.  Or better yet dead!

I typically run Chimera's with both Rahn and Kaelyssa.  extra focus on Chimera makes it DEF 15 against range and magic.

[keithb]

I tend to like an ArcNode with Kaelyssa, but I have definately thought about a Hydra.