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Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« on: March 22, 2011, 12:16:39 AM »
So despite my better judgment, I'm opening this up for discussion in hopes that it will produce some cool ideas I have not considered.

I am looking ONLY for table specific restrictions based on points and types of models.  This is NOT a thread about table specific special rules or rules interactions.


Example:  Last year, in the sewer system, we said that there can be no super heavy walkers, gargantuan creatures, fliers, or drop pods.

We decided (last second) to restrict the planet surface table to a 2500 points per model limit which forced the two emperor titans to fight on the moon together.


Let's keep this thread on topic.

For those of you not in the know, the tables for this years Megabattle will be as follows:

5v5 - Moon
5v5 - Ice Cap
5v5 - (Desert) Wasteland
5v5 - Sewer System / Cavern
10v10 - Planet Surface
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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2011, 12:26:22 AM »
Moon- Unlimited
Ice Cap- 2500 point cap, unrestricted superheavies- a limit toward tanks, skimmers, fliers and non walkers would be cool to simulate ice terrain
Wasteland- Unlimited
Sewer- no super heavy walkers, gargantuan creatures, fliers, or drop pods.
10v10- 2500 point cap unrestricted superheavies /fliers

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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2011, 12:29:24 AM »
I don't know if this is the right kind of post but, I'm basing my models on snow and i would like to play on the snow table. I don't know how you go about placing players on tables and such.

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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2011, 12:57:51 AM »
when the final decisions are made about what is allowed on what table then it will be left to the teams to respectively decide the best/most effective player placement.  When the individual forums are up you will get a chance to talk to everyone that is signed up for your team and get a feel for who is bringing what and based on army composition and experience the best place for you too go.

I think this is the one aspect of the mega battle that we really haven't run into in the complaints department.  Usually teams are good at self regulating and teaming players up in a manner where they can enjoy the game the most.  Of course, there is always going to be one or two examples where this was not that case.  But out of 40 people you can not always have everyone getting exactly what they want.

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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2011, 12:59:36 AM »
for basic restrictions I agree with trooper though I would even consider having the 10x10 table go as low as 1000/1500 points for largest single model. if the city itself is important in some way and with the sewers under it very large heavy vehicles might have to be left at home. More about brutal street to street fighting and regular transports and tanks.

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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2011, 08:48:17 PM »
when the final decisions are made about what is allowed on what table then it will be left to the teams to respectively decide the best/most effective player placement.  When the individual forums are up you will get a chance to talk to everyone that is signed up for your team and get a feel for who is bringing what and based on army composition and experience the best place for you too go.

I think this is the one aspect of the mega battle that we really haven't run into in the complaints department.  Usually teams are good at self regulating and teaming players up in a manner where they can enjoy the game the most.  Of course, there is always going to be one or two examples where this was not that case.  But out of 40 people you can not always have everyone getting exactly what they want.

Well, I have heard many complaints.  Moose claims to have predicted an escalation in superheavies immediately after the first megabattle ended.  I understand he's be warning about said escalation all along.  I'm another.  There were also several chaos players at last year's big table who thought Sim's titans and their d-templates took out vehicles and produced a distinct advantage for Order.  This discussion has taken place every year.

I reviewed the Order army lists last year after the fight.  I haven't had access to the Disorder lists.  To the best of my ability to reconstruct, we had four players who spent every single point on big models.  No one else spent many more points than it would take to buy two baneblades.  The vast majority of players, doing as they did last year, could fit under 1500 points of superheavies and gargantuan.

It's luck of the draw whether one ends up facing an all superheavy player, but twice in a row I've found myself opposite big walkers.  I have no problems with players who enjoy big models putting down a lot of big models, but I don't understand why they think they should have the right to run over players who would prefer another style of game.  Not everyone has the modeling skill, time, money or inclination to adopt to the big model style of play on a once a year basis.

My preference would be for a no holds barred table, with other tables having different points limits on how many points might be spent on gargantuans or superheavies.  Perhaps the big table might be at 1500, with other tables at similar or smaller levels.  Perhaps the cavern should again not allow walkers, gargantuans or flyers.

I might also suggest that we do not decide points in superheavies until lots of people have signed up.  Along with t-shirt sizes, ask everyone signing up how many points of superheavies they intend to field, and how many points they would be comfortable playing against.  If twenty players say they intend to field 4000 points of big models, let's have two no holds barred tables.  If, as last year, the vast majority of players are going to be fielding a baneblade or two, let the majority of tables be set up for a baneblade or two.

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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2011, 10:39:00 PM »
Personally I really don't like the idea of punishing super heavy players and make them play only on a no holds bar table. Fluff wise it makes no sends titans cannot be on the main table as I've read 4 different books that had titans one was an emperor walking through the city! Another had titans ducking to fit into a giant under ground chasm. My point is don't say its not fluffy to have a massive robot talking through a city because it is. If your across one of these things you have team mates to help you. Don't whine and say I don't think super heavies are fair. This is an appocolyps style Mega battle there are not supposed to be many restrictions. Every thing rich suggested seems perfect to me.

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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2011, 11:34:55 PM »
Personally I really don't like the idea of punishing super heavy players and make them play only on a no holds bar table. Fluff wise it makes no sends titans cannot be on the main table as I've read 4 different books that had titans one was an emperor walking through the city! Another had titans ducking to fit into a giant under ground chasm. My point is don't say its not fluffy to have a massive robot talking through a city because it is. If your across one of these things you have team mates to help you. Don't whine and say I don't think super heavies are fair. This is an appocolyps style Mega battle there are not supposed to be many restrictions. Every thing rich suggested seems perfect to me.

I would say it's not punishing super heavies, but punishing Stupid Heavies (Trademarked by me).  Example: Emperor titans.  By warhounds and reavers can go on the surface, they are not over 2500 points.  And it doesn't create an imbalance for those who aren't looking for the kind of experience that Emperors bring.
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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2011, 11:37:01 PM »
I personally think the Banelord would be hilarious on the main table.

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EDIT for content:

The Banelord is a good example of a model that isn't necessarily undercosted for it's firepower and even allows for normal models to take saves from many of it's guns because it lacks Strength  (Steve) D on any of it's ranged weapons.  While it's 2500, it is less powerful than a Reaver with all D weapons considering the strength of titans with D weapons.
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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2011, 11:59:58 PM »
can i be put on the non super heavy table
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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2011, 12:18:32 AM »
There should be only 1 table where there is a restriction on point limits for super heavies.  That is the table that has no super heavies on it.

This is apocolypse, not 4000 point regular 40k

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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2011, 12:23:51 AM »
There should be only 1 table where there is a restriction on point limits for super heavies.  That is the table that has no super heavies on it.

This is apocolypse, not 4000 point regular 40k

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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2011, 01:00:40 AM »
For real though, I say have one table where X gamers can play on with NO heavies.  This way the nubs without heavies can still feel loved.  And I do mean NO HEAVIES, nor fliers, titans, anything outside of a gw codex for a normal game.  And then the moon being the iron man hardcore all or nothing superheavy-only table. 

I would like to see the frigid temperature on the ice table, and the kicking sandstorms etc on the dessert table have an in-game effect.
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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2011, 01:03:05 AM »
There should be only 1 table where there is a restriction on point limits for super heavies.  That is the table that has no super heavies on it.
I personally agree with this too.  However, in light of what Bob said, I can understand the frustration of what others go through when they're left with no choice (or forced) to play against players who bring the big point models to the Megabattle.  But realistically speaking, unless half of the Megabattle attendants decide that they want to build their own Emperor Titan, I don't think it'd really be a problem.  Other than the Emperor Titan, are there any other Super Heavies/Gargantuan Creatures that are more than 2500?  To my knowledge, there isn't any, and the Banelord and Warlord Titan are the only ones I've seen at 2500 exactly.

So I guess what it comes down to is, is it likely that there could be a few more, if not possibly several more Emperor Titans this year?  If not, then I don't think the point restrictions are necessary.
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Re: Megabattle: Table Restrictions - I want your ideas.
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2011, 01:38:08 AM »
Current plan:

Moon - Unlimited - If you're there, expect total annihilation.

Ice Cap - 2500 point cap.  (This may swap with the Wasteland table, depending on the design of each)

Wasteland - Codex models only.  NO super heavies. (This may swap with the Ice Cap table, depending on the design of each)

Sewer - No super heavy walkers, gargantuan creatures, fliers, or drop pods.

Planet Surface - 2500 point cap.


Obviously this is subject to change.

Also, expect the event post to go up soon.  Registration will open once it has been posted.
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