Fantasy or 40K???

[Rhys]

just as long as you don't think your gaming career is over because you're enlisting, that would be horrible

[NGazerro]

just as long as you don't think your gaming career is over because you're enlisting, that would be horrible

Ya lol, i know its not gunna be completely over unless of course i go to afghanistan.

[Rhys]

you can still play warhammer with bionic legs lol. *crosses self*

[Captain Bryan!]

There's also a difference between things that you don't need with you to play, such as a book, or something that has to be there, like your HQ (aside from proxies where applicable) that you can use online for now and then buy later from the store. Either way the store will get money, it's just a matter of temporary solutions. That's like yelling at someone for printing out magic cards to use as a proxy deck before they decide to buy it.

First, you DO need the rulebook to play...if there is a rule question...you look at the book, if there's a disagreement...you look at the book, if there's popcorn...you look at the book...etc.

Second, If you proxy something like magic cards and models...you will HAVE to buy the real thing to use them in a tournament or anything official...but a pdf isnt exactly a proxy...so dont do it...EVER

the first thing of warhammer that i ever bought was the rulebook and i dont regret it


TL;DR Just because i memorized the rulebook doesnt mean that i can/should just leave it at home



and back on the actual topic of this forum: <insert something relevant here>

[skavengear]

Brace yourselves.  Dave Goss making common sense in-bound.

The legal age to work in the U.S. is 14, cleverly enough, GW's products are all 14+.  This means you either have  the money to play their game, or you are not their target audience. Derek and Chase are both great people, as most who speak to them would agree.  Derek feeds his child on the money he makes from his game store and tries to make a living off of a book which retails for $30/60 and which he sells for $30/60.  He even out of the goodness of his heart realizes some people spend so much they deserve 10% off for buying in bulk.  He even further decides that any person with the like-mindedness to play a game and enjoy themselves can come in and take up gaming space in his store at no charge.  Just remember that everytime you decide not to buy from his store, you not only are sticking the middle finger in his face when you play at his store for free, but you are also taking food, clothing, and shelter away from his wife, children, and family.  This is not some moral or economic theory, this is a fact. Have the maturity to wait and spread out your purchases and watch your army grow over time if you need to.

Lets take a look at an example... Im planning an eldar purchase of $500 soon.  This is roughly 1850 points, enough for serious enjoyable games.  I have at my option to spread my purchases out. in 10 months, I would only have to pay $50 a month.  $50 a month on minimum wage is roughly 3.9% of gross pay.  The average american spends $76 a month on coffee, in comparrison.

So, in short, and I do not care if you decide to say I am on my menstrual cycle, that just shows how mature you are and explains to me why you cannot understand such adult concepts; Get a job and fucking pay for the stuff you want and don't be the kind of scumbag that steals money from a good man and his family; OR do not play at all.

[Benjamin]

Nice rant, but it would sound better coming from someone not lessening community resources with "U mad bro?" spam.

[NGazerro]

Its funny cus where did I mention that I was gunna buy stuff at other places? Or that I dont currently shop at BG? If you want you can ask Derek but I spend alot of money at BG. Yes once in a blue moon if BG doesnt have something I go elsewhere but I told Derek that and he said Thank You. So in actuality ur point is invalid. And the fact that you would go out of your way to make in invalid rant is showing that ur PMSing.

[NGazerro]

And the fact that you would go on multiple topics and keep posting "U mad bro?"..... Really? So what I would like to know is why are YOU mad. Is it because I didn't want just YOUR opinion.

[Alley Livingston]

Its funny cus where did I mention that I was gunna buy stuff at other places? Or that I dont currently shop at BG? If you want you can ask Derek but I spend alot of money at BG. Yes once in a blue moon if BG doesnt have something I go elsewhere but I told Derek that and he said Thank You. So in actuality ur point is invalid. And the fact that you would go out of your way to make in invalid rant is showing that ur PMSing.

This isn't aimed at you, it's aimed at me.

Here's my response:

Captain, you can learn to play without the rulebook, quick references to rules can be made with either other players who know them, players who have a copy of the rulebook on them, or what a lot of people do, and just glance at a book on the shelf. The first thing I bought was my codex and HQ at the same time.

At Goss:

I can't take anything you say seriously to be honest. You sit and spam the forum with "you mad bro?" seriously, what are you, five years old? Grow up or no one will take you seriously. Get off your high horse there man with that rant of yours. One purchase of a rulebook isn't going to put D out on the streets or starve his family. Let's be logical here.

Your entire argument is based off mostly irrelevant things. The niceness of D and Chase has nothing to do with it.  The 10% discount has nothing to do with the initial argument that is being discussed, so I am not really going to comment on that.

Everytime one decides not to buy from the store they’re sticking the middle finger up at him? Are you on drugs? Seriously, it’s not that at all, there are things you can’t get at the store that you order online, calm down, that’s like saying that I’m being rude going to Gabby’s for lunch instead of eating pure junkfood all day, completely illogical and over the top accusation.

Sure, you could make that argument for age in relation to essential plan for their (GW’s) marketing, but it could also be that you need superglue and other toxins to paint your army and that people below 14 aren’t ready for the game in terms of learning or using the chemicals involved.

 Maturity has nothing to do with spacing out purchases, I haven’t done that, whenever I get money I immediately go to Battleground and blow it all on 40k. Your little rant about spreading your purchase out is irrelevant when you bring yourself into it, it’s just saying you’re buying it all at once instead of buying pieces over time, which in either case you will be purchasing from Battleground, so the unnecessary rambling on you did there is irrelevant and a space-filler.

“Get a job and fucking pay for the stuff you want and don’t be the kind of scumbag that steals money from a good man and his family; OR do not play at all.” Why I can’t understand those adult concepts? Get off your high horse, seriously. It’s not stealing money, it’s a temporary solution so you can get into a game and make further purchases which will then in turn support the man in question. Think about what you say before you say it, better yet, look it over twice so you don’t sound like a complete idiot. I personally am on 3 varsity sports and advanced classes, I don’t have time during the school year for a job, so I do yard work when I can to earn some quick money. I bet a lot of people our age don’t have time for a job right now, so that really isn’t a valid argument; just because you may have all the time in the world doesn’t mean everyone else does.

I can respect Rich’s point of it being someone else’s property and that coming with consequences. I can respect Ian, he knows where my initial argument is coming from and made an intelligent argument based off of how he feels and some legitimate facts. The large rant you just went on fueled by something of the source I know not is not respectable, you just sound like an illogical fool who is over exaggerating everything and blowing it out of proportion.

I am not going to change my opinion of the pdf rulebook being a huge issue or taking money from the store or changing the pay where you play logic, because I fully support pay where you play, and firmly believe the pdf book is ok. I in no way intend to force that opinion on anyone else to try and change their mind, or intend on posting links again, but I still firmly believe that it’s not that big a deal and am just defending my initial point and opinion.

Goss, saying you’re acting like you’re PMSing isn’t being immature, it’s pointing out how much of a diva douchebag you’re being.

[NGazerro]

It was originally pointed towards me because if you look at first page he got all pissed cause I wanted someone else's opinion. Then the whole money thing came from because I said that I get all the info i can before i go out and spend alot of money on something because I dont have alot of money. So he is basically saying if you cant afford it all at once spend it over time... but then comes the point that I dont have alot of time because like i said im going in the military. But his whole rant thing is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever heard in my life. It makes me wonder WTF was he actually thinking when he was writing that.

[the_trooper]

It's something that comes up once and a while.  While I think he might have been a bit hyperbolic, he has a point.  People get fiercely protective about the usage of the community without open support.  I think this thread got quite off topic and got heated because people read too deep.  I'm not going to even touch it here because obviously everyone involved is on the same page.

It doesn't seem focused at you, NGazerro, or you Alley.  An honest mistake on your part obviously does not require such a response.  So many communities close down because of ideologies that were not expressed in this thread but outside of it.  I'll respond to that too but in the proper place.

I'm not apologizing for Dave I'm attempting to show that we are all on the same side, want the same thing and are part of the same community.

[Moosifer]

Wowzers Dave Goss went on an epic u mad bro sperg.  The best way to put things into perspective is this:  You are being provided a place to hang out/play games for free.  We are not talking about purchasing a club membership to access the tables.  Because Derek allows us to play for free he also expects a little bit of loving too, in the form of purchasing goods to keep his store running.

With that being said if you cannot afford a codex or rule book look to borrow things from folks before you resolve yourself to the intertubes for the book or a free copy.   AoBR was mentioned as a cheap way to get a rule book or ask around for folks if hey have a spare they will sell to you for store credit.  


And in ending, Dave Goss:  Why u mad brah?

[skavengear]

Nick, this is not aimed at you, this is aimed at other people who openly say they are not buying something from the store, that they are using their forums to express.  If you want to get a rulebook for free, don't tell people about it on the stores forums and have other people doing it, it is only teaching them it is ok to do, which is not ethical or healthy for a store.  That is not a high horse that is common sense, that you shouldn't be buying or playing a game you cannot afford.  If a $60 book is out of your reach, why would you buy an army where a single unit is at least $35?

I do not care if you listen to my opinion or not. But if you want to get what the vast majority of the store said last night's opinion, since you have two months, I would suggest you just hold on to your money and play some FNMs or something.  You might manage to scrimp up enough to make 1,000 or so points, but not many people play less than 1500, which will easily cost even with a free rulebook and codex over $200.

The U mad bro? spam was a joke. ha ha.

[NGazerro]

Nick, this is not aimed at you, this is aimed at other people who openly say they are not buying something from the store, that they are using their forums to express.  If you want to get a rulebook for free, don't tell people about it on the stores forums and have other people doing it, it is only teaching them it is ok to do, which is not ethical or healthy for a store.  That is not a high horse that is common sense, that you shouldn't be buying or playing a game you cannot afford.  If a $60 book is out of your reach, why would you buy an army where a single unit is at least $35?

I do not care if you listen to my opinion or not. But if you want to get what the vast majority of the store said last night's opinion, since you have two months, I would suggest you just hold on to your money and play some FNMs or something.  You might manage to scrimp up enough to make 1,000 or so points, but not many people play less than 1500, which will easily cost even with a free rulebook and codex over $200.

The U mad bro? spam was a joke. ha ha.

Ok i just assumed that it was pointed towards me cus it just seemed like you hated me at school. Today I went out and got a Dreadnought, Tactical Squad and a predator. Then when they have one im getting the Black Reach box cus it comes with a Rulebook and  a Commander, tactical squad, Terminators and a Dreadnought.

[Rurouni Benshin]

Today I went out and got a Dreadnought, Tactical Squad and a predator. Then when they have one im getting the Black Reach box cus it comes with a Rulebook and  a Commander, tactical squad, Terminators and a Dreadnought.

The Battleforce set is also another good investment too.  It comes with a 5 man Scout squad, a 5 man Assault Squad, a 10 man Tactical Squad, a 5 man Combat Squad (or 1/2 of a Tactical Squad), and a Rhino.  All of that for only $90, which saves you close to $40 retail.  I'd definitely pick up a few of those to help expand the army too.  Good luck!