[Megabattle] Custom Model / Datasheet / Idea Approval Thread

[jfoodmaster]

... and female space marines.

I wholeheartedly disagree with that. WHOLEHEARTEDLY, I say! Isn't why there is the Adeptis Sororitas (or however it's spelled)?

[Rurouni Benshin]

...Thus, we have rules about hamster ball and toilet tube models...

And frisbees...  

But in all seriousness, I don't think the idea of using a Primarch for a game is a bad idea, although, at this point I can see why many people wouldn't want them in the Megabattle specifically.  I've seen some models representing the Primarchs online, and a lot of them look very well made.  If we can collectively come together on a rule set, and maybe even write some fanbased fluff so that at least the BG community can use and work with, maybe in the future, we can have some kind of battle/game where the Primarchs are involved.

[tyranid warlord]

Hi folks
 Were all forgeting a big part of Apocalypse is custom data sheets and scatch built models.
there's even a part of the Apocalypse rule book and GW's web site about it. But the biggest part of the Mega Battle is to get together have some fun kill your enemy's and give bragging right's to the winning side for the year. People should make there data sheets post them on the site and let the commitee render there rulings.

There just seems to be a lot of people getting there feelings hurt and thats not the right thing to do.
This is only a game and supposed to be fun win lose or draw enjoy the game.

[jesterofthedark]

Warlord expresses it well.

To be blunt many of the arguements here are valid and at the same time not truely relevant to the current situation.  Primarchs are a non-issue for this forum now, it has been stated that they will be ruled upon after a lengthy discussion.  No need to get worked up over something that is for all intents and purposes out of the community's control for now.  I would like to say thank you to the many ideas that followed the request for the  Primarchs involvement.  Troy and Dave, your ideas were very good and will be taken into account when the decision it made.

This forum is here for players to post their ideas and what they have made.  There is a group of individuals selected for the judgement process.  For better or worse, hate it or love it.  That is why those individuals were chosen.  Whether you like the decision or hate it, what they decide will the final say in matters refering to what is posted here for review.

Continue Posting, please just don't be too upset if the final word is not the two cents you added to the conversation.  Nothing personal, we are just trying to assist in making the event enjoyable for the majority of the community.  Some eggs will be broken, lets just be big boys and girls and take it all like adults.

[blantyr]

Chase listed three 'canon' sources of data sheets, Apocalypse, Apocalypse Reload and Imperial Armor, while discouraging data sheets from other sources.  I agree, while acknowledging that this thread exists to approve stuff from other sources.

Last year, though, I used two data sheets from another source that I considered canon.  GW does have a web page full of Apocalypse data sheets.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=3400020&_requestid=1218869

Last year I played the Shadow Walker Formation and The Seer Council of Ulthwe.  I might well use them again next year.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2440062_Eldar_Datasheet_-_Shadow_Walker_Formation.pdf

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180069_Eldar_Datasheet_-_The_Seer_Council_of_Ulthwé.pdf

Can we consider all these GW data sheets canon, usable without being blessed on this thread?  If not, I'll submit the Shadow Walker Formation and Seer Council for approval, though I have not seriously considered what I'll be fielding this year.

[Chase]

Can we consider all these GW data sheets canon, usable without being blessed on this thread?

Yup.

[jesterofthedark]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the point of this thread is for teh approval of Data Sheets from sources not directly related to GW.  I.E. Player created ones.  Also, for the approval of models players wish to use to represent a model that does not exist or is very difficult for the player to obtain.

However, even if you are using a formally approved data sheet from one of the books or GW's site.  You will still be expected to show up to the event with that data sheet in hand, just in case there are any questions about it during the game. 

[blantyr]

The Bolter and Chainsword forum has a thread that attempts to list all "official" data sheets and give the source.  I don't know that it is current and complete, but it could be helpful if anyone wants to know where to find a copy of a given data sheet or get an idea what is available for a given army.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=193307&st=0&p=2299467&#entry2299467

[Chase]

That seems like a useful link.  I'm going to add it to the OP.

[Rob S]

The Bolter and Chainsword forum has a thread that attempts to list all "official" data sheets and give the source.  I don't know that it is current and complete, but it could be helpful if anyone wants to know where to find a copy of a given data sheet or get an idea what is available for a given army.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=193307&st=0&p=2299467&#entry2299467

*Looked at site
*Scrolled down to Sisters of Battle
*Lol

They have less datasheets than the Imperial NAVY, which isn't even its own army.  I'm sorry to any Sisters players.

That link is awesome though, super useful and organized.

[skavengear]

Im not too sure whether or not this is a bad question or not... but:

Can I, as a choas space marine player, use the stormlord and/or banehammer tanks? if yes, can i put my chaos marines inside and do they count as 1/25 each or what?

[jesterofthedark]

technically yes you could.  Since the mega battle allows the entry of renegade guard, they would ally with chaos marines per the matrix.  At least that is the way it should work out.   The model would have to be converted to represent that it was a renegade or chaos tank.  It would still use all the rules per its data sheet entry though.  So, you could not have it driven by chaos marines or have it demonically possessed, because it is still a guard tank.

You could transport your units normally. The apocalypse rule book provides the information as too how much space each type of unit would take up.  Now as to whether or not the chaos marines would use an imperial guard super heavy, even if its a renegade one?  I dunno.

[Lykosan]

Same thing would go then for Space Marines using Imperial Guard Tanks for the Data Sheets.

[blantyr]

Same thing would go then for Space Marines using Imperial Guard Tanks for the Data Sheets.

Last year, I don't believe we could mix codices or armies.  Troops from one codex couldn't ride in vehicles from other codexes unless there were alliances involved.  One player's infantry couldn't ride in another player's vehicle.

However, if it makes sense that an army could use a vehicle data sheet that can carry infantry, infantry could be carried.  For example, I vaguely recall chaos guard riding in a plague tower.

I don't remember this as being one of the more hotly contested issues, but there were a good number of odd examples that had to be accounted for.

[Lykosan]

What I mean is that if a Space Marine player wanted to bring a Baneblade.

"Now as to whether or not the chaos marines would use an imperial guard super heavy, even if its a renegade one?  I dunno."   ---- That was the statment it was in regards to.