Quick questions...

[Moosifer]

we have chapter specific wargear? since when?

Blood Chalice
Death Masks
Inferno Pistol
Flamer Pistol

[Achillius]

I want to play Blood Angels now that I have a fast moving BS4 Railgun.  Adios opponent's vehicles.

I just hope the FAQ will be released soon.

I hate to say it, but that makes sense, if the Vindicator was not given fast, I'd be more inclined to argue this point.

For now It seems the BA SM have some kind for short barreled Vanquisher/Railgun.

oh well, let's see what the FAQ says next year when it comes out....

[jhobin]

Better than a railgun. Railgun's only 1D6

[skavengear]

if a model has terminator armor is it ok to use an infantry base (for example a librarian in terminator armor

[blantyr]

if a model has terminator armor is it ok to use an infantry base (for example a librarian in terminator armor

No is the short answer.

[Rob S]

I want to play Blood Angels now that I have a fast moving BS4 Railgun.  Adios opponent's vehicles.

I just hope the FAQ will be released soon.

And you can have the rest of their chapter specific wargear.  

Uh huh.  So is this supposed to be their chapter specific Sanguine Pattern Demolisher?

Added an important word that GW must have left out.


While we're at it, anybody planning on using Shrike should note that the only squad that he can confer his infiltrate special rule to is a command squad.  Other than that, an IC joins a squad after it's deployed and that squad won't be able to gain infiltrate during deployment.  Sup RAW.

[the_trooper]

I want to play Blood Angels now that I have a fast moving BS4 Railgun.  Adios opponent's vehicles.

I just hope the FAQ will be released soon.

And you can have the rest of their chapter specific wargear.  

Uh huh.  So is this supposed to be their chapter specific Sanguine Pattern Demolisher?

Added an important word that GW must have left out.


While we're at it, anybody planning on using Shrike should note that the only squad that he can confer his infiltrate special rule to is a command squad.  Other than that, an IC joins a squad after it's deployed and that squad won't be able to gain infiltrate during deployment.  Sup RAW.

Thanks for the heads up. 

[Chase]

Yo, so this has just come up...

Can someone direct me to the rules on JUST ordinance (not ordinance blast)?

People are saying that just "ordinance" doesn't exist and that all "ordinance" is ordinance blast or something?

I guess the logic is, "What is an ordinance 1 weapon if not an ordinance 1 blast?"

[Banosby]

You're looking for the bottom of page 58 in the BRB. The section is titled 'Ordinance weapons', not 'Ordinance Blast Weapons'. That said, I cannot think of any ordinance weapons in the game that aren't ordinance blast (although that doesn't mean there aren't any; I'm no expert).

[Chase]

Right.

There is one example, the IG Valk missile thing.  The specification requirement has been cleared up by GW.

We just took a while to go over the bottom of page 58, where the Ordinance heading is found.

Does the paragraph define ALL "Ordinance" weapons entirely or are people trying to make a case that "ordinance blast" weapons are somehow different (based on the last sentence)?  If they are trying to make a case for "ordinance blast" weapons being different, where is the heading governing them?  Ex:  Ordinance Barrage Weapons.

Is the word "blast" here an adjective, or is it part of some sort of "compound noun"?

[Rob S]

Right.

There is one example, the IG Valk missile thing.  The specification requirement has been cleared up by GW.

We just took a while to go over the bottom of page 58, where the Ordinance heading is found.

Does the paragraph define ALL "Ordinance" weapons entirely or are people trying to make a case that "ordinance blast" weapons are somehow different (based on the last sentence)?  If they are trying to make a case for "ordinance blast" weapons being different, where is the heading governing them.  Ex:  Ordinance Barrage Weapons.

Is the word "blast" here an adjective, or is it part of some sort of "compound noun"?

As I discussed with Chase, the rules about using the large blast template are under the heading "Ordnance weapons".  There is no specific entry for "Ordnance Blast weapons".  Under the heading, it mentions "...all ordnance blast weapons use..." but does not define that this is the rule for weapons categorized as "Ordnance, Blast" as they are for "Ordnance, Barrage".  Barrage has its own section.  It is simply describing such an "Ordnance weapon".

Not only is this common sense, but those of you trying to say that the BA Vindicator does not use the template are now horribly twisting the wording of an entry.

[Grand Master Steve]

The Ordance missles on the Valk dont use blast.  Ordance is a weapon class like how theres Rapid Fire, Assult, Heavy, and Ordance. Note there are other non Ordance weapons that do use templates. Ordance just means its ordance and follows the rules for firing an ordance weapon doesnt mean it makes an explosion but most of them do.

[Rob S]

The Ordance missles on the Valk dont use blast.

And it was clarified by GW, because that is the first AND ONLY weapon of its kind.

  Ordance is a weapon class like how theres Rapid Fire, Assult, Heavy, and Ordance. Note there are other non Ordance weapons that do use templates. Ordance just means its ordance and follows the rules for firing an ordance weapon doesnt mean it makes an explosion but most of them do.

But it does create the blast.  Following the rules for Ordnance, it uses the large blast marker.  It's under the heading for "Ordnance".  Not "Ordnance Blast", not "Ordnance Barrage", just "Ordnance".

Are you trying to say that the SM Vindicator, which was specified as "Ordnance, Large Blast" does not follow the normal rules for Ordnance because it's LARGE Blast, instead of Blast?  Because it's the SAME reasoning.

[skavengear]

i believe steve is right the statement about ordnance using large blast is only for keyword: ordinance blast weapons.

the only part i was sold on was that the space marine codex line reads: ordnance 1 for the entry then in the back: ordnance 1, barrage.  now, what exactly did gw do to errata that? because it seems like both entries would lean towards the original vindicator not getting the large blast either, because it would have to read something like "ordinance blast 1" to make it accurate. so did gw make literally 3 different stats for the same weapon?

im over the fact that blood angels gets a fast one shot anti tank cannon and not the big template-O-death but id just be interested in what gw's errata looks like for the space marine version. i mean they argue terminator armor means 40mm base, then they issue tons of models in terminator  armor with 25mm bases, just to make tons of sense

[the_trooper]

Right.

There is one example, the IG Valk missile thing.  The specification requirement has been cleared up by GW.

We just took a while to go over the bottom of page 58, where the Ordinance heading is found.

Does the paragraph define ALL "Ordinance" weapons entirely or are people trying to make a case that "ordinance blast" weapons are somehow different (based on the last sentence)?  If they are trying to make a case for "ordinance blast" weapons being different, where is the heading governing them.  Ex:  Ordinance Barrage Weapons.

Is the word "blast" here an adjective, or is it part of some sort of "compound noun"?

As I discussed with Chase, the rules about using the large blast template are under the heading "Ordnance weapons".  There is no specific entry for "Ordnance Blast weapons".  Under the heading, it mentions "...all ordnance blast weapons use..." but does not define that this is the rule for weapons categorized as "Ordnance, Blast" as they are for "Ordnance, Barrage".  Barrage has its own section.  It is simply describing such an "Ordnance weapon".

Not only is this common sense, but those of you trying to say that the BA Vindicator does not use the template are now horribly twisting the wording of an entry.

Tank hunter and Valdor have Ordinance 1 weapons.  Should we also assume that they have blasts?  An earlier version of the Valdor had a blast but it was removed.  The only thing ordinance does is give 2d6 take the highest armor pen.  Ordinance does not infer a blast, just automatically upgrades a small blast to a big blast.

There are other vehicles in 40k that use the ordinance only entry.  It's not twisting.  Is it that inconceivable for BA to have a variant vehicle that isn't completely abusable?  A fast moving demolisher cannon with a 5 inch blast is pretty rough.

Should we assume all 5 inch blasts are ordinance?