an odd question in general

[skavengear]

reading over the rules for special weapons, if i have a power fist and a power weapon, when do i hit in combat at the model's init or the 1 init? or would i hit with the power weapon, wait, the hit (last) with the power fist

[jhobin]

You have to pick which weapon you are going to use and use all of your attacks with that weapon.

Generally not a good idea to do this. Also, you would not gain an extra attack with the fist because there is no bonus for 2 weapons with a fist.

[Moosifer]

Unless you are an Ironclad Dreadnought, Death Company Dread with 2 Bloodfists, Furioso with 2 Blood Fists and Marneus Calgar...

[Grimwulfe]

Dont forget about Logan Grimnar.

[jesterofthedark]

You always use your profile stat when determining your attacks.  You may recieve a bonus close combat attack for wielding a pistol and close combat weapon.  This bonus does not apply to : power fists, lighting claws, and armies individual instances of such weapons.  These weapons may gain an additional attack if a model is wielding a pair of these weapons.  Also, you must decided at the beinging of combat which weapon you are using for that combat.  So, you can not swing once with a power sword and then swing later with a power fist. 

Most models don't even give you the option to equip the character like that, some special characters have wierd gear like that.  But, that is an instance when you have to declare what you are fighting with.

[skavengear]

in my case its my reclusiarch. equipped with power fist and crozius (treated as power weapon). so is it once per turn i can choose, ie. one turn i chose to hit earlier in assault with the crozius and next turn choose to hit hard and slow with mr. fisto! ?

[Logan007]

Yes.

[skavengear]

another question i couldnt find in the rulebook is: i have a special character mephiston, as an hq choice, he doesnt have the independant character rule so does he always fight on his own or can he still join a squad?

[Moosifer]

Independant characters can join units, mephiston can join your death company if that is what you are thinking.

He can be singled out in close combat though, which means if you have a mob of orks and they charge your death company with mephiston attached.  The orks that can base mephiston, as well as those within 2" of a model basing mephiston can attack him, the rest must make their attacks on the unit.

[Serring]

You have to be independent to be singled out, not just unique.

Example: If Farsight has bodyguards he cannot be singled out even if he is unique because he doesn't get Independent Character until all of the bodyguards are dead.

[skavengear]

so any special character can join a squad even if under specials it does not say "independant character" ? because the rulebook is really unspecific about this. for example astorath specifically says under special rules "independant character", mephiston does not. probably because he is by far much stronger than any of my other units in the blood angel range he has to fly solo.

[Serring]

Independent characters are the only people that can join and leave units except for certian rules that specifically say so (green tide in apoc for example). You can still buy a bodygaurd if possible like the the captians can in vanilla space marines, not sure if you have that option though.

[skavengear]

nope so is it worth it i mean hes ws 7 and str 6 can be str 10. plus he has the force sword and psychic hood. hes practically the same as a tank, but its still one models and 5 wounds dont last long if he gets caught in with a large group.

he definitly seems like a bad ass character to play, especially since he is the strongest model i can produce by a long shot. i mean jesus! ws 7 and str 10 and can make people around him gain favored enemy? he might even make up for death company's inability to score (maybe...)

[Rob S]

nope so is it worth it i mean hes ws 7 and str 6 can be str 10. plus he has the force sword and psychic hood. hes practically the same as a tank, but its still one models and 5 wounds dont last long if he gets caught in with a large group.

he definitly seems like a bad ass character to play, especially since he is the strongest model i can produce by a long shot. i mean jesus! ws 7 and str 10 and can make people around him gain favored enemy? he might even make up for death company's inability to score (maybe...)

Jesus, what did they do to Mephiston?

Does he have an invulnerable save now?  If not... lascannons here I come.  What about Eternal Warrior?

[the_trooper]

Is Mephiston an IC or not?