noob question

[skavengear]

i just got into 40 k and was planning on buying the chaos space marine battleforce and a terminator lord. im wondering what supplies i will need in addition to those. if it is considered legal, id like to get away with no painting whatsoever im not a painter in the slightest (as most of you saw with my mordheim wrbands).
also once i find the money to make my purchase, i was wondering if anyone could take some time to meet at bg and show give me a hands on expirience.

thank you,
dave g.

[Lykosan]

Painting? What is this painting thing you speak of?


To answer your question, yes it is legal to not paint a single thing. Will you be allowed into GW Tournaments(other than 'Ard Boyz) with an unpainted army? No you will not be. To play normal games with anyone as long as you have the models and your codex you are good. Tournaments require Based and at least 3 colors(last I checked).

Only reason either of my armies is painted is because I was forced to do it, stupid painted requirement or the Mega-Battle, grumble grumble.

[Rob S]

It's of course "legal" to play without painted minis, but not rewarding.  None of us were painters to start out with (well, most of us weren't), but we just continued to paint these models and eventually they start looking nice.  You'd be horrified if you saw my first Space Marines.  So I would really urge you to try to paint, as you'll find it soon becomes a lot easier and really fun.  Especially if you do it with a group.

As for what else you'll need...

Glue, definitely.  To put the models together.  Many people have different opinions, but my personal favorite is the Citadel super glue (Not plastic glue, not Zap A Gap).

Other modeling supplies: Clippers, Xacto Knife, Accelerant, etc... as you get your models check out what the store has to see what would be useful to you.

For putting together the battleforce and terminator lord, you won't really need a codex.  But afterward, it would be more than helpful to buy one.  You'll need it to put together army lists, figure out what else you want in it, and just learn about how awesome your army is.

The rulebook, of course, you'll also want to get eventually.  But for now you'll want to get your guys together and figure out what you can do with them.  The rulebook and codex go hand-in-hand.  You wont' understand a lot of the rules section of the codex without help if you don't have a rulebook.

I unfortunately can't meet you to help you out  because I'm off at college.  But there will be plenty of people more than willing to.

Good Luck!
Rob

[Rurouni Benshin]

Painting? What is this painting thing you speak of?

This made my morning.  Thanks, Steve

To answer your question, yes it is legal to not paint a single thing. Will you be allowed into GW Tournaments(other than 'Ard Boyz) with an unpainted army? No you will not be. To play normal games with anyone as long as you have the models and your codex you are good. Tournaments require Based and at least 3 colors(last I checked).

I can vouch for this as well.  If you're just playing casually, you have nothing to worry about.  But if you plan on entering tournaments, I suggest taking it slow, and learning how to paint, b/c honestly, it's half the fun of 40K, IMHO.

And like Rob said, it is very rewarding having your own painted army.  I tend to be very meticulous when it comes to small details, but I have a lot of fun doing it.  I wasn't any bit of a painter either when I started, but I think I've come a rather long way, considering I just started playing this past summer.

At any rate, Dave, I'm going to be around the store for the next few days, and have free time all day Thursday and Friday.  Saturday's good too, but I won't be available past 5 or 6 pm.  And Sunday I'lll be around until about 2:00 pm.

If there're any questions you have beforehand that you'd like to ask on the forums though, please feel free to post, as a lot of people go through them from time to time on a daily basis.

Hope that helps.
~Ben

[skavengear]

ok sounds good that you for the help rob, ben, and steve. i probablly shouldnt be doing the megabatlle this year anyways, lacking the expirience. but ill probablly buy the stuff within a month whenever paycchecks come in.

[blantyr]

Chaos?  Start with a can of black base spray paint.  A bottle of boltgun metal.  A pretty wide paint brush.  Learn the 'dry brush' technique.  Put just a little bit of metal paint on the brush, very lightly stroke the black model, and the high points on the model get highlighted in dark silver.

A smaller brush and some red paint.  Dot the eyes.  There.  Three colors.  You are then tourney legal.  The only problems is that a lot of other Chaos players use similar enough paint schemes that you might have trouble telling your models from the other guy's.  You might want to be stunningly original and dot your eyes with green.

There are short cuts available with some armies that let you get onto the table with a half decent looking force fairly quickly.  If you decide to get fancy later, you might pick up another color and start highlighting helmets, guns, shoulder pads or whatever.

But many people never go back and get fancy.

[Grimwulfe]

Heres another option for you.  Put the stuff together and get someone else to paint it for you.    Low grade paint job wouldnt cost allot to do the whole army.  It is my understanding that there are a few people lurking around BG that will paint for you. 

Problem solved.

[Alley Livingston]

Alright, I have 2 or 3 questions of my own.

Can you use zipkicker on any type of superglue?
Do you have to use clippers or can you use something else?
Is there anyone really good at painting that could sit down with me sometime (or even tell me on here) and give me some tips on painting. I have painted some stuff before, I am ok, but want my wolves to look badass, and am not quite at that level yet.

Thanks.
-Alley

[Rurouni Benshin]

Zipkicker works on most Superglues.  The GW brand of plastic glue is what I would avoid using Zipkicker on, b/c quite frankly you don't need it for that glue.  I find that it's sticky enough to hold the pieces together while it's still bonding.

Clippers or side cutters make cutting the pieces off their sprues easier, but aren't necessary.  You can find a cheap pair at Lowes or Home Depot.

As for painting, there's usually a few people at the store who can help you with that.  If you have a specific question though, you can ask on the forums and some of the people on the forum will get back to you.

[Grimwulfe]

zip kicker will work on most glues.  GW glue and Zapagap benefit from zip kicker very well especially if you are trying to go for a whacky pose and dont feel like holding it till it sets.

Clippers are helpful for sprues and wild things but an xacto knife works just as well in most cases.

Because you mentioned Wolves I have to chime in on this one.  What are you looking for for there paint job?  A espeially easy way to make light colored models POP is to use a .005 felt pen and outline the models after you paint them.  Basically use the pen to go into the grooved like the shoulder pads etc.

There are allot of people that can give you pointers on the painting gig.  My opinion would be think out what yu basically want them to look lke IE color scheme baseing and so on and let us know then we would have a better idea how to help you make them POP!!

[Alley Livingston]

I am thinking kinda either end of the spectrum, either really light colors and the bases be snowy, or really dark colors such as nauseating blue (a purpley color) and dark greens for them on a gray or light blue armor. I am leaning towards the snowy at the moment with the greens and purples as accents on things like shoulder pads. I might sit down this weekend and sketch out some color schemes.

My main concern now is starting painting. Do I really need to do all those washes and stuff, it seems a little crazy. The easiest part is the details, those are solid easy colors, but trying to get the armor and bigger stuff the right way seems the most difficult because you have to mix paints and stuff. If someone could walk me through one model sometime it would help me immensley because I could go from there.

-Alley

"I can't make it, you're going to have to toss me....don't tell the elf"-Gimley

[Grimwulfe]

Until you can grab someone live takea look at this guide it may help you.

http://www.paintingclinic.com/operations/spacemarine.htm

[tyranid warlord]

Hi  skavengear

Brandan and I will be at BG on sat 20th around 1 or 2pm
Brandan has Chaos SM and can show a little about gaming with them.
As for painting thats half the fun of the hobby I myself am not very good
not like most of the guys there but I enjoy it.

Dave

[Alley Livingston]

Alright. I am in the same boat as before. I have read articles on painting, and kinda get it, but the whole drybrushing, and base coat, and wash, that's what gets me, I don't know what the hell they're talking about. Like, yeah, you undercoat, then base coat each part, then you do washes and then you drybrush, I just don't get how to go about that process, especially color mixing and thinning properly.

[Chase]

If you're just getting started you shouldnt have to mix any paint or thin anything either.  You also don't have to drybrush or even slap ink (wash) on the models.

Just prime them, slap a foundation paint on it (or not), and paint from there.  All the other stuff is "extra" and produces all kinds of different effects.  Make sure you have paint meant for miniatures though.  A lot of newer, younger people start by using spray paint and other super thick stuff which results in the models looking..... interesting....

Just come down one day / night, Alley, and hang out with the guys that are painting.