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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2010, 10:22:09 PM »
i feel like that if a unit benefits from a cover save, there has to be cover to provide it


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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2010, 10:46:13 AM »
i feel like that if a unit benefits from a cover save, there has to be cover to provide it
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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #77 on: February 10, 2010, 10:50:03 AM »
The only use I can see for them is in what I've been calling the 'buff' army. Basically layering all transferrable special abilities close to each other so you can make super-gaunts. I was thinking of taking 2 indepdant and hiding them behin tervigon's. The tervigon should be big enough to conceal them from some shots. Also making sure your gaunt bullet screen is with 6' will give them and the tervigon's a 5+ inv. Not to bad for 55pts.
Not too bad, but I was thinking 2 Zoenthropes for 10 points more would add more to the group by providing the heavy hitting to help break open Chimeras etc.
The venomthrope isn't bad, but it just seems like I would be reaching for other elites over it most of the time given the limited slots available.
The Ven. seems to want to be up front in CC with its misma and 2+ poison attacks, but seems like it would have a hard time surviving past the first round of CC with only 2 attacks base, toughness 4 and a poor save.

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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #78 on: February 10, 2010, 11:04:41 AM »
I was just reading that he also confer's defensive grenades on units within 6' as well as the cover save.

I think he is defenetly a passive model to use. The lash whips and poison are ok but similiar to what Matt said if you have to use those rules the Venomthrope's are already SOL.

I'm thinking of trying them in my list next time. I'm lucky so far I have 1HQ 6T 1E 2H at 1850 I think I'm gonna try 2 independants to see if they are worthwhile.
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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #79 on: February 11, 2010, 12:15:11 PM »
i feel like that if a unit benefits from a cover save, there has to be cover to provide it
You are entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is wrong.

i'm not one for internet tough-guy arguments, but if the book were to say "a unit behind a wall gains a 4+ cover save" is that any different from "a vehicle using smoke launchers gains a 4+ cover save"? essentially, it boils down to [source of cover + recipiant of cover] grants a [value of save] cover save.


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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #80 on: February 11, 2010, 01:29:51 PM »
Does the cover save generated by the SW power give them other benefits of cover, such as striking first?
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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2010, 01:30:27 PM »
Your right to certain extent about cover being cover.

There is nothing wrong with that if your playing against a friend or a casual tournament at the local store.

I don't know how familiar you are with the scope and depth some people go to for some of the larger tournaments. I know some people that fly across the country and and other continents to go to tournaments. Sometmies dropping over a grand to go. I know I have spent over $500 going to national tournaments multiple times. One of the most annoying things that came about in the early days of these events was the set of rules would change from place to place. This led to a lot of arguments. GW was good with FAQ's for awhile but were slow recently a independant group came up with a fairly comprehensice set of rules to cover most sticky situations.

There are two sets of rules arguments RAW (rule as written) and RAI (rule as interpretted). Most of the time rules are judged in the favor of RAW because it makes sense. The reason why is there is a million dofferent opinions about "fluff-wise" a rule should be rules a certain way. RAW good or bad is a literal intrepration good or bad its the fairest in my opinion.

That being said I mostly play "as if" meaning as if I am in a tournament. Literal interpretation usually wins out in a rules argument because its in black and white.

If you want to play cover is cover go method go ahead as long as you have your opponents permission, but don't expect everyone to play that way.

That being said its a game have fun!  ;D
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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2010, 01:59:38 PM »
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243927

If the rule was quoted correctly (as that is the only time I have read the rule, I don't have a 'nid codex available to me), then this post definitely proves it on the side of smoke, etc. grants cover.

In particular, read post #20.  The car example (again, if the quoted rule is quoted correctly) is great for it.
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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #83 on: February 11, 2010, 02:17:37 PM »
That being said its a game have fun!  ;D

that happens to actually be a rule, despite what alot of people do. thankfully some people actually play by it.


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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2010, 02:20:49 PM »
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243927

If the rule was quoted correctly (as that is the only time I have read the rule, I don't have a 'nid codex available to me), then this post definitely proves it on the side of smoke, etc. grants cover.

In particular, read post #20.  The car example (again, if the quoted rule is quoted correctly) is great for it.
The car post is well worded. Exactly what I was trying to say earlier.

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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #85 on: February 11, 2010, 02:26:15 PM »
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243927

If the rule was quoted correctly (as that is the only time I have read the rule, I don't have a 'nid codex available to me), then this post definitely proves it on the side of smoke, etc. grants cover.

In particular, read post #20.  The car example (again, if the quoted rule is quoted correctly) is great for it.

Post #20 certainly seems to have the best understanding of the rule. Other interpretations seem quite obvious to me as failures to comprehend the rule properly.

The sentence doesn't even seem make sense when you try to interpret it as "only" meaning "other types of cover not functioning."
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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2010, 02:33:39 PM »
The rule as written:
"The target can only count the benefits of cover they are in or touching if it lies between them and the Hive Guard"

The way it would need to be worded to mean other types of cover would not work:

"The target can only count the benefits of cover IF they are in it or touching it AND it lies between them and the Hive Guard."

The rule as written is CLEARLY setting the conditions for a specific type of cover. Other interpretations do not at all match with the manner in which the sentence is framed.
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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #87 on: February 11, 2010, 03:13:44 PM »
must be a somewhat slow day  :P

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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
« Reply #88 on: February 11, 2010, 08:12:07 PM »
lol warseer.

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Re: Opinions new Tyranid 'dex
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