Orks vs Grey Knights

[Sir_Prometheus]

Coteaz had the ignore cover and prescience powe

Well, there's ya problem.

Paladins don't have mass prescion strikes, they're not characters anymore, btw.

I dunno, hit them more nobz power klaws, I guess

[Mad Dok Rob]

First of all, he didn't lose....Orks never loose.

Ork Solution to every problem

Step 1 - Moar Boyz

If the problem is solved, go to step 3, if not go to step 2

Step 2 - Moar Lootas

If the problem is solved, go to step 3, if not go to step 1

Step 3 - Waaaaaaaaaaghhhhhh!!!!!!

Grey Knights are tough, but other armies are becoming tougher for us because the cost curve is getting bent down.  Heck when da boyz get a new dex, I am sure that I will need 3k of orcs just to make a 1.5k Army.

Shock Attack Guns are good for Paladins (with the right rolls).  Lots of Lootas and cheap tasty kannons protected by t7 grots.  I personally have given up on regular Nobz with PK's cause they just die.

It is a sucky expensive unit (worst in the dex), but Flashy Gitz (with the right rolls) could put a hurting on Paladins.  Another thing to try is a DeffBurna Wagon (deffrolla battlewagon with a mob of burnas and meks).  Lots of flame templates and the meks have plasma guns and can repair damage on the wagon.

And don't forget, Old Zogwort can turn Matt Ward...I mean Draigo into a newt...ummm...squig.

[Sir_Prometheus]

I dunno, kinda thought they made a lot FAQ upgrades to Flash Gits that made them pretty badass.  Expensive, yes, but awesome. 

Basically what you need is a way to project the force of larger amounts of pts on a smaller area, faster.  (like 12 models that average about 50 pts a wound).  Flash gits do give you a way to do that.  (there are others, as pointed out)

They only have 4+ armor though, right?  Psycannons will blow through them.  You need Ghaz, or another mega armored baddie to tank for them. 

[GossWeapon]

Just needs moar dakka.

[Mad Dok Rob]

I dunno, kinda thought they made a lot FAQ upgrades to Flash Gits that made them pretty badass.  Expensive, yes, but awesome. 

I actually hadn't played with them yet.  I actually just scratch built a mob, so I will give them a try at some point.  I still think they are really really expensive for what you get.

They only have 4+ armor though, right?  Psycannons will blow through them.  You need Ghaz, or another mega armored baddie to tank for them.

That is true, 4+ armor sux.  I don't think Ghaz is really that good in 6th...until the new dex rewrites his rules.  I use my Ghazzy as just a MegaArmoured warboss.  I still get a kick out of my MA Big Mek, just because it is cool to have a model with 2 PKs.

Just needs moar dakka.

As I say when I play my Orks,

"Orks win cause they roll more dice than you"

[Sir_Prometheus]

I don't think Ghaz is really that good in 6th.

ZOMG, he is SO much better in 6th than he was in 5th.  He has 2+ armor and AP2, and both those things are way more important in 6th (cuz of each other, obviously).  THe eternal warrior seals the deal.

For exp, in 5th, against a similar badass like Draigo, he'd win his Waaagh round, and then slowly lose.  Today, he definitely wins.  (still slowly, cuz of 3++)

[Pat.H]

I was playing as the work the list I used was

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+++ All da  Boyz (1498pts) +++
+++ 1500pt Orks 6th Ed (2008) Codex Roster (Primary Detachment)) +++

Selections:

Orks 6th Ed (2008) Codex (Primary Detachment) Selections:

+ HQ + (215pts)

    * Warboss (110pts)
        (Furious Charge, Independent Character, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
        Cybork body (10pts) (Cybork Body), Stikkbombs (Stikkbombs)
        * Mega-armour (40pts)
            (Mega Armour, Slow and Purposeful)
            Power klaw, Twin-linked shoota


    * Warboss (105pts)
        (Furious Charge, Independent Character, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
        'Eavy armour (5pts) ('Eavy Armour), Cybork body (10pts) (Cybork Body), Power klaw (25pts), Shoota/skorcha kombi-weapon (5pts) (Kombi-weapon), Stikkbombs (Stikkbombs)


+ Elites + (245pts)

    * Nobz (245pts)
        (Furious Charge, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
        * Nob (30pts)
            Big choppa (5pts), Cybork body (5pts) (Cybork Body), Slugga
        * Nob (30pts)
            Big choppa (5pts), Cybork body (5pts) (Cybork Body), Slugga
        * Nob (30pts)
            Choppa, Cybork body (5pts) (Cybork Body), Twin-linked shoota (5pts)
        * Nob (30pts)
            Choppa, Cybork body (5pts) (Cybork Body), Twin-linked shoota (5pts)
        * Nob (30pts)
            Choppa, Cybork body (5pts) (Cybork Body), Twin-linked shoota (5pts)
        * Painboy (50pts)
            'Urty syringe ('Urty Syringe), Dok's tools (Dok's Tools)
        * Trukk (45pts)
            (Ramshackle)
            Big shoota, Boarding plank (5pts) (Boarding Plank), Reinforced ram (5pts) (Reinforced Ram)


+ Troops + (860pts)

    * 'Ard Boyz (200pts)
        (Furious Charge, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
        * 9x 'Ard Boy (90pts)
            9x 'Eavy armour (36pts) ('Eavy Armour), 9x Slugga & choppa
        * 'Ard Boy with special weapon (15pts)
            'Eavy armour (4pts) ('Eavy Armour), Big shoota (5pts)
        * 'Ard Nob (50pts)
            'Eavy armour (4pts) ('Eavy Armour), Bosspole (5pts) (Bosspole), Power klaw (25pts)
        * Trukk (45pts)
            (Ramshackle)
            Big shoota, Boarding plank (5pts) (Boarding Plank), Reinforced ram (5pts) (Reinforced Ram)


    * Ork Boyz (218pts)
        (Furious Charge, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
        * 26x Boy (156pts)
            26x Slugga & choppa (Choppa)
        * Boy with special weapon (16pts)
            Rokkit launcha (10pts)
        * Nob (46pts)
            Bosspole (5pts) (Bosspole), Power klaw (25pts)


    * Ork Boyz (207pts)
        (Furious Charge, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
        * 25x Boy (150pts)
            25x Slugga & choppa (Choppa)
        * Boy with special weapon (11pts)
            Big shoota (5pts)
        * Nob (46pts)
            Bosspole (5pts) (Bosspole), Power klaw (25pts)


    * Ork Boyz (235pts)
        (Furious Charge, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
        * 26x Boy (156pts)
            26x Shoota
        * Boy with special weapon (11pts)
            Big shoota (5pts)
        * Boy with special weapon (11pts)
            Big shoota (5pts)
        * Boy with special weapon (11pts)
            Big shoota (5pts)
        * Nob (46pts)
            Bosspole (5pts) (Bosspole), Power klaw (25pts)


+ Fast Attack + (90pts)

    * Deffkoptas (45pts)
        (Furious Charge, Hit and Run, Mob Rule, Scouts)
        * Deffkopta (45pts)
            Choppa, Twin-linked rokkit launcha (10pts)


    * Deffkoptas (45pts)
        (Furious Charge, Hit and Run, Mob Rule, Scouts)
        * Deffkopta (45pts)
            Choppa, Twin-linked rokkit launcha (10pts)


+ Heavy Support + (88pts)

    * Big Gunz (88pts)
        3x Kannon (60pts)
        * 6x Extra Gretchin (18pts)
            6x Grot blasta
        * 6x Gretchin
            6x Grot blasta
        * Runtherd (10pts)
            (Furious Charge)
            Grabba stik (Grabba Stik), Slugga, Squig hound (Squig Hound)


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We were playing the relic. My plan was to kareen the trukks into his big squad to tie him in close combat long enoough to grab the relic and or get one of my big squads into close combat. I knew one of the big squads of slugga boyz wasn't going to make it, I just figured it would take longer than one round of shooting. There was a nice ruin I was in process of moving my shoota boyz into to provide some cover fire but unfortunately it was rendered useless thanks to the whole ignores cover shenanigans. I brought the deffkoptas just to harass any vehicles he might of had.

It probably would have been better if I didn't keep the trukk with ard boyz in reserve and instead just moved them out front along with the other trukk to block line of sight. But really the list isn't very good for taking on grey knights it's probably more suited for taking on regular space marines. I would have been better off taking a shok attack gun and zzap guns and not bothering with the ard boyz.

[Mike_k]

well with the new FAQ shooty orks will probably do much better against GKs as you can just outrange him with lootas and big shootas. BUt you need to run shootas and lootahs. The vast fire power 60-90 shoota boys can pump out when supported by 20-30 lootas will out volume most marine armies.

I got crushed by horde shooting at the CSM invitation. Lost an NDK and 20 strike knights (1kpoint lists) by turn 3 to just volume fire as he covered 4 times the board as me and I had to go to him.