combat reforms rules query

[Rhys]

is this reform legal?

here's before combat:



here's after combat



note that the number of fiends and spearmen in b2b  does not change.

[Vermillion]

I believe it is legal, I don't think the spearmen have enough ranks to disrupt your ranks. So you should be able to reform normally. You might want to double check the literature on it though, there might be something about reforming towards opponents or away from.

[Shadow76]

initial gut says yes b/c there is only one enemy on your side.  if you had one on the front and one in either your flank or rear i would say no.   again i haven't checked the book, but that is my gut feeling.

[Khrimson Death]

if you were facing away from the unit, u could reform to face it. I dont see why u could face away from it if you chose too. I say its fine according to my gut

[Hankin]

Sorry but It doesn't look legal, not for giving them a flank(that is fine), but because you can never lower the number of models in combat.  3 in the front in the before and only 2 after. 3 spear men should contact 3 fiends...
You could turn in a 2 frontage and 3 deep.

[Rhys]

So you don't count as moving models out of combat if you reform them and they can no longer make supporting attacks?

[jesterofthedark]

Nothing in the rule book says you can not reform in this way. 

You would always maximize in combat anyway so if this brought spearmen out of reach they would slide to get the max number touching.  But, the book may not cover it due to the fact that you are giving a flank as opposed to reforming to deny the flank.

As for moving you must stay in combat unless one of the two units is fleeing, and you may not make supporting attacks to the flank or rear of a combat.

[JakeM]

The only restrictions on combat reform are,

No modle in the unit can be more then twice its movement value away from its starting position.
(Brb pg 14 & 55)

No model (friend or foe) can be brought out of base contact with the enemy.  It dosnt have to be in base to base with the same enemy as long as its still in base to base with an enemy. (brb pg 55)

So assuming two of your fiends are baseing the three elves (maybe due to the way the unit had been Lined up when it charged.) Then you can move the unit so it is facing the other direction. Even though your losing the supporting attacks.

Also, I don't think you "always maximize in combat". Only on the charge.

[Hankin]

The rule book does say you can't.  the only big stipulation to combat reforming is any model that is in b2b with an enemy can't leave it.  That looks like 3 fiends are in b2b with the last 3 of the spearmen.  This means those 3 fiends are pinned in that line (but can change facing).
As I said the flank move is fine the moving out of b2b of one fiend is the issue.

Also I believe you only max on the charge, once in combat you are stuck, even supports...(common mistake)

I mean what Jake said lol

[JakeM]

LOL

[Rhys]

ok thanks for all te replies, especially those last 2. i charged the fiends in and maxed so 3 fiends vs 5 elves. i kill enough to take one fiend out of combat, so with only 2 in b2b i can reform like that? cuz i got this other guy telling me that by reforming, i'm losing support attacks and thus pulling models out of combat.

it didn't matter for that game as the spears rolled insane courage and so the fiends got obliterated by the silver helm bus with his prince and BSB. it is good to know though.

[Hankin]

Supporting attacks don't factor in, just B2B.
Sorry From the image it looked like 3 fiends were in B2B.  then I change my answer to yes, it is legal.
lol

[Shadow76]

see the gut never fails, even if it is for the wrong reason 

[Rhys]

lol,keith that pic is from a game that i did a report of, check it out. i know you're one of the guys who likes em.