why does this list lose so much?

[the_trooper]

Lash is a psychic power of Slaanesh Sorcerors and Daemon Princes.

Typhus sucks because he is 225 (or so) points of lack of eternal warrior.  He is resilient to small arms fire but dies to big guns just as easy.

Thousand sons are base cost 23 points, 15 points additional for the sorc and you have to buy a power  for him.  You are looking at 48 points plus the psychic power.  When the champ dies, they lose slow and purposeful and just become slow.

A unified god list is probably the best there is, technically.  Berserkers in a rhino kinda suck.  Plaguemarines get increasingly better in a rhino as do Thousand Sons and Noise Marines.  Berserkers love land raiders and become one of the most hard hitting assault units in the game when they get the charge off.  The other three think assaulting is ok but prefer to rapid fire the crap out of people.

Personally, I think predators kinda suck.  I have 2 and one has been cannibalized to be a rhino and I think the other will be as well.  Then again, I'm a chaos player so yeah.  Mephiston is a beast.  Most nids don't have invuln saves either.

[jhobin]

Sell off your Blood Angel's and play Tau.

They have the best unit's fearless, AP2 and AP1 weapons all over the place. Practically invincible, and don't get me started on the Ethereal, best HQ hands down. Would just like to point out that both 40k games last night Tau won them both, strong army I think so

Now that's over, just do what everyone else has done play games and then play some more. You'll eventually get the gist of the army and figure out what's good and works and what your paying for but don't need. After each game evaluate your army, see what worked well and what didn't and what you can do without. Like Rick said about the priests why take multiple when 1 has the same effect?

[skavengear]

@rich: it seems like a reasonable idea, i think id do double lash princes flanking a land raier full of berserkers. but i want to try and give blood angels a little more of a chance. is there a "list" for mephiston really? i once thought of putting just him in a stormraven so id have the SR rush in guns ablaze then when it crashes out comes a really pissed off mephiston. itd help if i didnt make him out of an emperor's champion though... (its literally a champ with a plasma gun glued on, its even painted like a templar )

@jeff: i agree about the ethereal, but the real thing i was attracted to was the broadside, and then i looked at the fire warriors and decided i never want to leave a marine army haha. id rather have my s4 t4 3+ any day of the week, no offense, because i know what tau do, just not a very patient person to be able to hold a "line".

[Ian Mulligan]

I really like the core of your CSM list. Here's what I think you should aim for based on your strategy. I dont have my codex with me, so I'm not sure of exact points:

HQ

Daemon Prince w/ MoS, Lash, Wings

Daemon Prince w/ MoS, Lash, Wings


TROOPS

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

10 Khorne Berserkers w/ Aspring Champ with power weapon.

HEAVY

3 x Obliterators

3 x Obliterators

Land Raider

[Moosifer]

I really like the core of your CSM list. Here's what I think you should aim for based on your strategy. I dont have my codex with me, so I'm not sure of exact points:

HQ

Daemon Prince w/ MoS, Lash, Wings

Daemon Prince w/ MoS, Lash, Wings


TROOPS

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

10 Khorne Berserkers w/ Aspring Champ with power weapon.

HEAVY

3 x Obliterators

3 x Obliterators

Land Raider

Dude that is totally underpowered.

Here is what you REALLY want to play.

HQ:

Daemon Prince with mark of Nurgle, Warp Time, Wings
Daemon Prince with mark of Nurgle, Warp Time, Wings

Troops:

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

Heavy:

3 x Obliterators
3 x Obliterators

[Ian Mulligan]

I really like the core of your CSM list. Here's what I think you should aim for based on your strategy. I dont have my codex with me, so I'm not sure of exact points:

HQ

Daemon Prince w/ MoS, Lash, Wings

Daemon Prince w/ MoS, Lash, Wings


TROOPS

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

10 Khorne Berserkers w/ Aspring Champ with power weapon.

HEAVY

3 x Obliterators

3 x Obliterators

Land Raider

Dude that is totally underpowered.

Here is what you REALLY want to play.

HQ:

Daemon Prince with mark of Nurgle, Warp Time, Wings
Daemon Prince with mark of Nurgle, Warp Time, Wings

Troops:

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

Heavy:

3 x Obliterators
3 x Obliterators

You made the list worse! This is better!


HQ

Daemon Prince with mark of Nurgle, Warp Time, Wings
Daemon Prince with mark of Nurgle, Warp Time, Wings

TROOPS

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

ELITES

Chaos Dreadnought w/ Multimelta
Chaos Dreadnought w/ Multimelta
Chaos Dreadnought w/ Multimelta

HEAVY

Defiler w/ extra CCWs
Defiler w/ extra CCWs
Defiler w/ extra CCWs

[Moosifer]

I really like the core of your CSM list. Here's what I think you should aim for based on your strategy. I dont have my codex with me, so I'm not sure of exact points:

HQ

Daemon Prince w/ MoS, Lash, Wings

Daemon Prince w/ MoS, Lash, Wings


TROOPS

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

10 Khorne Berserkers w/ Aspring Champ with power weapon.

HEAVY

3 x Obliterators

3 x Obliterators

Land Raider

Dude that is totally underpowered.

Here is what you REALLY want to play.

HQ:

Daemon Prince with mark of Nurgle, Warp Time, Wings
Daemon Prince with mark of Nurgle, Warp Time, Wings

Troops:

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

Heavy:

3 x Obliterators
3 x Obliterators

You made the list worse! This is better!


HQ

Daemon Prince with mark of Nurgle, Warp Time, Wings
Daemon Prince with mark of Nurgle, Warp Time, Wings

TROOPS

10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.
10 Plague Marines w/ 2x Melta, Aspiring Champ w/ fist. Rhino.

ELITES

Chaos Dreadnought w/ Multimelta
Chaos Dreadnought w/ Multimelta
Chaos Dreadnought w/ Multimelta

HEAVY

Defiler w/ extra CCWs
Defiler w/ extra CCWs
Defiler w/ extra CCWs

I gotta disagree.  Give the champs pweapons and then switch the dreads to plasma cannons.  Now that list would pwnface!

[jhobin]

Give the Defiler's Lascannons Too!

[skavengear]

chaos dreads kill each other and anything around them. my list would def be ian's first one but why only 10 berserkers? it fits 12 in a LR and theres 12 in a box.

bad thing about plague marines is they are alot of money and metal. i might just pick up boxes of chaos marines and paint them like people do nids by dipping them, then adding some pus, ooze, and guts. this way i dont scream hate crimes trying to glue them together  

so does anyone wana buy my BA for like $100-200 store credit? or trade for the stuff in that list?
id want:
an unopened chaos daemon prince plastic box (gotta make my own) x2
chaos warriors x30 (3 boxes)
12 berserkers (1 box)
land raider
9 obliterators or 6 and a few possesed