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Battleground Games & Hobbies => General Discussion => Topic started by: NGazerro on March 09, 2011, 08:58:11 PM
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What do people play most at the abington store? Fantasy or 40k? and which do they have more tournaments for?
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40k for both...but all of the recent warhammer tournaments have been at plainville, there hasnt been a warhammer tournament in abington since before the plainville store opened
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That sux cus I wanted to start playing Fantasy but abington is my home store.
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you might get a few games in playing fantasy, but i havent seen anyone play fantasy there in a game that i wasnt playing in for about a month
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for fantasy, i've had better luck at plainville and the whiz but 40k is ten times more popular. sucks, i left 40k in 3rd edition with no intent to return. but those new dark eldar are threatening my resolve
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Well i havent completely made up my mind yet.... If i go fantasy ima do Dwarfs but for 40k idk.
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This is not nearly the time to play fantasy, the only reason I have an army is I got a generous offer. 40k is about as popular as magic at the store, everyday there is someone up for a game and tournaments are huge (fantasy's record is 4 people). Also, every two months going to plainville is not bad since you surely realize it's only 10 min. Longer of a drive.
40k is a much more enjoyable game since rules are very accessable, where fantasy there's so many bizzare and context sensitive rules which almost make no sense. To put it blatantly, a dwarf with speed 3 can charge over water, through a castle and to the other end of the board on a charge. When this can happen you have to wonder why.
40k is pretty much pick a marine army, dark eldar, or (maybe) mech guard and win. Plus doubles tournaments are so much fun to play in. I also must admit I hate movement trays. Just the fact when a regiment of 40 guys tips over trying to move them blows, 40j you run forth and kill.
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But 40k requires no tactical thinking...fantasy requires some. And Dave a dwarf with speed 3 can charge 15...not the entire board
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But 40k requires no tactical thinking...fantasy requires some. And Dave a dwarf with speed 3 can charge 15...not the entire board
And this is why I dont make up my mind based on one person
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I dont know what to do....... I REALLY like the armys from Fantasy but I dont want to get into something that no one is going to play.
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But 40k requires no tactical thinking...fantasy requires some. And Dave a dwarf with speed 3 can charge 15...not the entire board
sarcasm. A dwarf used to charge 6-9. And couldn't go through terrain unphased.
If you don't want to hear opinions from people who actually play both games then why do you bother to post something in the first place. Why would anyone bother to help someone who disregards everything they say? If you can't make up your mind, then buy yourself every army of both games fit about $8,436.98 and see which you like because obviously someone who plays knows far less about the game than you do.
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But 40k requires no tactical thinking...fantasy requires some. And Dave a dwarf with speed 3 can charge 15...not the entire board
sarcasm. A dwarf used to charge 6-9. And couldn't go through terrain unphased.
If you don't want to hear opinions from people who actually play both games then why do you bother to post something in the first place. Why would anyone bother to help someone who disregards everything they say? If you can't make up your mind, then buy yourself every army of both games fit about $8,436.98 and see which you like because obviously someone who plays knows far less about the game than you do.
Dude, really? Is it that time of the month?.... I know u know a hell of alot more than me about any of these games. I just like to get multiple opinions. I'm not saying that yours are not wanted. And actually I am looking at getting space marines.
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If you can bring your Space Marine Codex to class.
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This is not nearly the time to play fantasy, the only reason I have an army is I got a generous offer. 40k is about as popular as magic at the store, everyday there is someone up for a game and tournaments are huge (fantasy's record is 4 people). Also, every two months going to plainville is not bad since you surely realize it's only 10 min. Longer of a drive.
this is basically the big advantage 40k has over fanatasy. it can be a little tricky to find fantasy games unless you know people, whereas 40k players have to be beaten off with a stick
40k is a much more enjoyable game since rules are very accessable, where fantasy there's so many bizzare and context sensitive rules which almost make no sense. To put it blatantly, a dwarf with speed 3 can charge over water, through a castle and to the other end of the board on a charge. When this can happen you have to wonder why.
agree here that the learning curve for fantasy is much higher, one of the reasons that i suspect 40k appeals to a much younger crowd (the other being space marines). and in a game with mutant, man-sized, coked-out rats using nuclear technology against a renaissance-era civilization that hasn't advanced technologically in thousands of years but can build a tank, how fast a dwarf moves is what you're concerned with?
40k is pretty much pick a marine army, dark eldar, or (maybe) mech guard and win. Plus doubles tournaments are so much fun to play in. I also must admit I hate movement trays. Just the fact when a regiment of 40 guys tips over trying to move them blows, 40j you run forth and kill.
to each their own, i personally don't care for space marines or doubles events. with the exception of magnetic move trays in fantasy, this post is pretty accurate- pick marines, run forth and kill. that sums up 40k for the last 3 editions (can't speak for 2nd, didn't play then).
If you don't want to hear opinions from people who actually play both games then why do you bother to post something in the first place. Why would anyone bother to help someone who disregards everything they say? If you can't make up your mind, then buy yourself every army of both games fit about $8,436.98 and see which you like because obviously someone who plays knows far less about the game than you do.
this pretty much illustrates why i left 40k, alot of people have an attitude like this. seriously dude?
that and the endless moron-proof space marine armies spam coupled with the use of tactics beginning and ending in the "writing army list" phase pretty much killed 40k for me. sucks too cuz i think the fluff is great and some of the models are top-notch. in the end, my advice is start 40k if you want to play 100% of the time, play fantasy if you love the armies but are willing to play 30-40% of the time.
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In all honesty the biggest thing for me choosing a game is cost. I am a broke mofo so I really need to listen to everyone and make a final decision based on money. I know thats kind of a crappy way to decide whether or not to play a game, but to me money is short.
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If you are broke, none of these games are for you.
Additionally, neither of these games are anywhere near as strategic as many of the players present it. Fantasy used to be the haven of tactical GW stuffs, but the current edition's randomness and utterly broken magic phase have made it more degenrate than 40k has ever been.
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I am not completely broke I can probably get a small army going. But whats like a point army thats most played? Does anyone ever play less than 1k?
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The only time I see less than 1k on the table is for Plainvilles Kill Team events.
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Throwing my 2 cents in.
Goss, you need to take a chill pill, you're worse than a girl on her period, just relax. xD
Newbie whom I don't know. I play 40k, got into it recently, I am broke but have managed to get a little over 2000 points and love the game, I play spacewolves (sub chapter of the space marines). It's really easy to pick up and the fact that the community is both amazing and so willing to help you out is a great reason to pick up 40k.
Fantasy is cool, I don't play myself, but I know people who do, it's not played nearly as often, harder to understand from what I've seen, less of an active community and things of that nature. Some players will play less than 1k point games for 40k, just depends on who you go to. I would personally play a game of any amount of points because I just enjoy playing the game and figuring out what my army can do at each point value, so if you do pick it up I'll be more than willing to play you.
If you decide on 40k (which I personally recommend) then space marines is an awesome choice. Not only are they easy to learn, they are pretty cheap (cheapest of all armies I think) and are great all around when it comes to stats and stuff.
Either way the choice is yours, you have some pretty informed people telling you their opinions right now, do with it what you will. Good luck and have fun with what you do decide to choose.
Oh and Ian is 100% correct, if you don't have at least 200 dollars to spend on this at the beginning you shouldn't really start right now. It's 27 ish for the codex, 8 for glue to put it together, extra money on top of that if you start painting right away, then the money you need for at least 1 HQ and 2 troop choices (the minimum to play a game against someone, there are few exceptions).
-Alley
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Hi NGaz,
I don't come to MA as often as I used to, but when I do, I'm always up for a game of Fantasy. Being a relatively new person to the game myself, I'm always up for a game in Abington, since it's the closest store to where I stay when I'm in town.
Tentatively, I'm planning on being in town on the weekend of the 19th. However, the only reason why it's tentative is because my job may have me doing overtime that weekend in my MA location. So, if I manage to get any free time, and if you're around for a game of Fantasy, I'd be more than happy to take you up on one.
Otherwise, I also play 40K. It's harder to find a game of Fantasy, so if your preference is Fantasy over 40K, I'd be more than willing for a game.
See you around!
~Ben
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Throwing my 2 cents in.
Goss, you need to take a chill pill, you're worse than a girl on her period, just relax. xD
Newbie whom I don't know. I play 40k, got into it recently, I am broke but have managed to get a little over 2000 points and love the game, I play spacewolves (sub chapter of the space marines). It's really easy to pick up and the fact that the community is both amazing and so willing to help you out is a great reason to pick up 40k.
Fantasy is cool, I don't play myself, but I know people who do, it's not played nearly as often, harder to understand from what I've seen, less of an active community and things of that nature. Some players will play less than 1k point games for 40k, just depends on who you go to. I would personally play a game of any amount of points because I just enjoy playing the game and figuring out what my army can do at each point value, so if you do pick it up I'll be more than willing to play you.
If you decide on 40k (which I personally recommend) then space marines is an awesome choice. Not only are they easy to learn, they are pretty cheap (cheapest of all armies I think) and are great all around when it comes to stats and stuff.
Either way the choice is yours, you have some pretty informed people telling you their opinions right now, do with it what you will. Good luck and have fun with what you do decide to choose.
Oh and Ian is 100% correct, if you don't have at least 200 dollars to spend on this at the beginning you shouldn't really start right now. It's 27 ish for the codex, 8 for glue to put it together, extra money on top of that if you start painting right away, then the money you need for at least 1 HQ and 2 troop choices (the minimum to play a game against someone, there are few exceptions).
-Alley
Thanx man, I have the codex, glue, and a s*** ton of paint and brushes. All i need is the army. Im probably gunna pick up the Space Marine Battleforce and just build off of that.
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Good choice. If you can you should also get another thing of basic troops (don't know what they're called, I play spacewolves where our basic troop choices are grey hunters and bloodclaws) so you can have 2 units of troops and then use one of your other guys, such as a terminator or something, to represent an HQ. Read the codex, learn about your army and some rules, especially the force organization chart.
Best of luck with it, let me know when you're army is functional and I'll play you.
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Two further points.
1) I'm glad Ben posted here. His army is probably one of the best examples of how unbelievably un-fun fantasy is right now. His army fields a character whom, with regularity, can cause an entire unit 24" away to make strength tests or die. No armor saves, no invulnerable save. Nothing. When he does this, there is a good chance there is nothing you can do about it and his wizard character will only suffer negative consequences on a D6 roll of a 1. In addition, another wizard in his army can reduce that unit's strength by D3. Before you move a model, you could lose 5/6th of a 30 man unit, including your characters. Sure sounds fun, doesn't it? This is something many armies can do, though not quite as cheaply as his.
2) If you plan on using the store's forums for help, the store's tables for terrain, and the store's community for games, don't illegally download a book the store sells. Its insulting to Derek. Its insulting to his employees. Its insulting to all of us who have worked to build this community to what it is from day one.
Pay where you play. Its a shame how often I need to remind people this.
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I use the book for quick references but also own a hard copy. Eventually you have to buy the book anyway, but why not be able to glance at it and learn some of the basic rules to get started? I'm all for pay where you play, but it's just to get a taste for the game. Considering the book is what, 90 dollars, it's easier for someone who already made clear they have very little funds to just learn some of the rules from the online book than to not learn to play until they can pitch out another 90 dollars.
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If you can't afford the rulebook, you can't afford to play.
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agreed, having a pdf is handy because alot of army building stuff is done on the computer and its nice to not lug a heavy book around for that. that said, it is a grave sin to play in a store without supporting it monetarily, this isn't warhammerforhomelesschildren.org, the non-profit organization for all of your warhammer needs. and as for your first point Ian, i think thats a better gauge of Ben as a player rather than the game. he chooses the lore, buys the item to transfer miscasts, buys the ability to know all spells and throws 6 dice at getting the spell off.
@ Rurouni
i'd be interested in a game of fantasy as well, i miss battleground :( the drive is a bit longer since i moved, so i don't come by anymore unless i'm guaranteed a game. PM me if you feel like playing
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Yes you can. I learned to play without the rule book or my own army. The community taught me to play, let me test out their armies against them and things like that. Teenagers like myself, this new comer and others can't afford this stuff right off the bat, it's easier to just quickly learn the basics, and then from there let the community help you out and buy the book later. I'm not going to help fuel a silly argument. I'm all for pay where you play but there are exceptions. This would be one of them.
Obviously it's not warhammerrforhomelesschildren.org but for people interested in starting the game who can't buy it all at once who's to tell them they can't just get the pdf and reference it for now. They obviously will buy their army at Battleground and become more frequent once they get to know the community and get more money to build their army and spend on other things at the store. I've been at the store 9 years now and every game I started I did what I'm telling him to do and defending, and as soon as I got into the game I began spending tons of money on it everytime I got money. It's all about getting started. Don't come in and start bashing on him or me for using the pdf because of lacking monetarily. That's not right and discourages new players.
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Seriously, remove that link now.
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Bashing? Hahaha, oh kids. I was polite.
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I removed the link but seriously, you guys need to relax and look at it from where people like him, myself, pepe and other people our age trying to get into games stand. We've all become loyal to the store and pay where we play, but in order to start a game you need a jumping off point.
My definition of "bashing" is putting someone done, regardless of how polite you were, which indeed, you were polite, but the point still stands that you're discouraging a new player by being completely adherent to some code you have.
Even Reinhart agres: http://wargamingforums.com/2011/03/08/pay-where-you-play/
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I care not for the reasons.
Posting a link to Intellectual Property is a horrible idea, especially on a community forum (where GW may look) let alone the obvious moral ramifications.
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Free market fantasies are what lead to dead game stores. Seeing as I'm a bit of a "refugee" so to speak, I do take the mindset of being a scrub as a personal offense.
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Moral ramifications for posting a link to a book to help someone, I see none. Regardless. No more links to "intellectual property" from now on to avoid the arguments.
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i'm sorry i meant that to be humorous, not rude. as someone who first got into the hobby when i was 12 i know exactly how tough it is to buy all your own stuff. i was not saying he needs to buy a rulebook, thats ridiculous for everyone to shell out the down payment on a car for the rulebook when members of a group can share. i was merely saying that cutting corners will only hurt the store in the long run. but there's a difference between sharing rulebooks and having a soft copy without owning a hard copy. cutting the store out (especially as they're paying for these forums) is wrong, you will be playing on their tables after all.
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Alley, I understand your situation. I was there for a long time and now, as an unemployed college student living off of student loans, I find myself in a similar position. What does this mean? There are things I want to do that I can't.
I could eBay rhinos for my Lamenters. I won't. Battleground is my gaming home and I will support it, even if that means that I need to wait a month or two to get what I want. People in situations like ours need to realize that instant gratification isn't an option.
Really. I hear you. Buying a new rulebook blows when you don't have a lot of cash. But that doesn't change things, as much as I'd like it to.
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There's also a difference between things that you don't need with you to play, such as a book, or something that has to be there, like your HQ (aside from proxies where applicable) that you can use online for now and then buy later from the store. Either way the store will get money, it's just a matter of temporary solutions. That's like yelling at someone for printing out magic cards to use as a proxy deck before they decide to buy it.
I hear what you're saying and understand that you know where I'm coming from now, but encouraging to temporarily use a rulebook online is different than buying rhinos on ebay, which aren't temporary.
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agreed, having a pdf is handy because alot of army building stuff is done on the computer and its nice to not lug a heavy book around for that. that said, it is a grave sin to play in a store without supporting it monetarily, this isn't warhammerforhomelesschildren.org, the non-profit organization for all of your warhammer needs.
One way of finding a more "cost effective" way of obtaining the rule book is by getting either the "Assault on Black Reach" set for 40K, or the "Island of Blood" set for Fantasy. Both come with 2 separate armies (not a lot of points worth, but enough to get you started), some dice, which include a Scatter and Artillery die, two 18" rulers (or as I like to call "The Red Whips of GW"), and a miniaturized handbook that covers all the rules from the main rule book, but condensed into something a lot smaller and "carry-on" friendly. The sets are designed to bring new players in, and in hopes that they'd build on their armies respectively. Now, granted this does mean that you'd probably want to choose between one of the two armies that the set comes with, if you intend to get somewhat of a start on your Fantasy/40K gaming. It worked out very well for me, since I decided to play Space Marines and High Elves. But if you find yourself more interested in playing a different army, there might be players who'd be willing to trade for your models or buy them for store credit. Some players have posted threads asking for trades and such as well, so it probably wouldn't be difficult to find a few people to help you out.
and as for your first point Ian, i think thats a better gauge of Ben as a player rather than the game. he chooses the lore, buys the item to transfer miscasts, buys the ability to know all spells and throws 6 dice at getting the spell off.
I think this was summarized pretty well. When I first started playing Fantasy, the Island of Blood set had just hit the market, and so I thought "Why not?". High Elves were being heavily marketed at the time, and since the Skaven army didn't appeal to me, I naturally went with the Elves. Consequently, I decided to expand on the army, and eventually, it grew from that one IoB set to roughly 4000 points worth of models. (Thank you GW for finding new ways to make me spend money on you... ::)). In any case, the character that Ian is referring to is quite frankly very powerful. I'm no one to deny it. But like Maynard said, it's part of the nature of the game. Since the IoB set was released, GW had been marketing High Elves with as much efforts as they market Space Marines for 40K (or at least I think so). And when you have a product that sells, the logical idea is to make them better than what's out there. Does that mean we have balancing issues with competition? Absolutely. But that's also why GW needs to update their other armies to close the gap between the armies that are more competitive and those that aren't.
@ Rurouni
i'd be interested in a game of fantasy as well, i miss battleground :( the drive is a bit longer since i moved, so i don't come by anymore unless i'm guaranteed a game. PM me if you feel like playing
Dude, I'd be more than happy to play, if my schedule allows it. If I know for sure I'll be in town, I'll shoot you a PM. ;)
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Two further points.
1) I'm glad Ben posted here. His army is probably one of the best examples of how unbelievably un-fun fantasy is right now. His army fields a character whom, with regularity, can cause an entire unit 24" away to make strength tests or die. No armor saves, no invulnerable save. Nothing. When he does this, there is a good chance there is nothing you can do about it and his wizard character will only suffer negative consequences on a D6 roll of a 1. In addition, another wizard in his army can reduce that unit's strength by D3. Before you move a model, you could lose 5/6th of a 30 man unit, including your characters. Sure sounds fun, doesn't it? This is something many armies can do, though not quite as cheaply as his.
2) If you plan on using the store's forums for help, the store's tables for terrain, and the store's community for games, don't illegally download a book the store sells. Its insulting to Derek. Its insulting to his employees. Its insulting to all of us who have worked to build this community to what it is from day one.
Pay where you play. Its a shame how often I need to remind people this.
Ever since I start going to BG thats where I buy everything... I do agree with the pay where you play.
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Also I dont understand where downloading the Rulebook came from... I didnt mention anything about that. and Ian I also dont have 2 months to wait because in 2 months Im joining the Military so Im going to be on active duty... Thats also why Im trying to just get an army quick to have a little fun before I go away.
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Also I dont understand where downloading the Rulebook came from... I didnt mention anything about that. and Ian I also dont have 2 months to wait because in 2 months Im joining the Military so Im going to be on active duty... Thats also why Im trying to just get an army quick to have a little fun before I go away.
I had posted a link to a free viewable version of the 5th edition rulebook, but I took it down before you looked at it
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Also I dont understand where downloading the Rulebook came from... I didnt mention anything about that. and Ian I also dont have 2 months to wait because in 2 months Im joining the Military so Im going to be on active duty... Thats also why Im trying to just get an army quick to have a little fun before I go away.
I had posted a link to a free viewable version of the 5th edition rulebook, but I took it down before you looked at it
OOooo
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GW gets very excited about sharing electronic copies of their material.
Fair use copies are awesome and exercising your right as a consumer. Sharing links to pirated material just make legal issues for a gaming store.
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Also I dont understand where downloading the Rulebook came from... I didnt mention anything about that. and Ian I also dont have 2 months to wait because in 2 months Im joining the Military so Im going to be on active duty... Thats also why Im trying to just get an army quick to have a little fun before I go away.
actually, depending on your job, you could have plenty of time to game. if i were you i'd bring my army to my first duty station, you never know who else will play. as a matter of fact, i crossed paths with a wargaming club on camp hansen in okinawa during my time there. another one of my buddies founded a group of members of his unit in NC, i forget which base he was at.
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Also I dont understand where downloading the Rulebook came from... I didnt mention anything about that. and Ian I also dont have 2 months to wait because in 2 months Im joining the Military so Im going to be on active duty... Thats also why Im trying to just get an army quick to have a little fun before I go away.
actually, depending on your job, you could have plenty of time to game. if i were you i'd bring my army to my first duty station, you never know who else will play. as a matter of fact, i crossed paths with a wargaming club on camp hansen in okinawa during my time there. another one of my buddies founded a group of members of his unit in NC, i forget which base he was at.
Ya i thot about that too like finding a local gaming store wherever im stationed.... What branch were u in???? Im joining the Air Force once this semester ends.
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marines for me. i was in the infantry so i didn't have a whole lot of time to game myself but i met plenty of people who did. i did end up getting sent to a 1 1/2 year long arabic course in 2006 though, guess what? started skaven :). air force will probably be a good bet though there are a ton of nerds in the AF ;) honestly, as soon as you're done with training and settle into your first unit, make a trip home and pick up your game stuff or have it shipped to you. if you're in the continental US, chances are there'll be a game store close by. and if you're outside the US, like japan or korea, chances are the nerds have congregated and formed a club of their own and will welcome you with open arms if you can sniff em out ;)
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marines for me. i was in the infantry so i didn't have a whole lot of time to game myself but i met plenty of people who did. i did end up getting sent to a 1 1/2 year long arabic course in 2006 though, guess what? started skaven :). air force will probably be a good bet though there are a ton of nerds in the AF ;) honestly, as soon as you're done with training and settle into your first unit, make a trip home and pick up your game stuff or have it shipped to you. if you're in the continental US, chances are there'll be a game store close by. and if you're outside the US, like japan or korea, chances are the nerds have congregated and formed a club of their own and will welcome you with open arms if you can sniff em out ;)
LOL thanx lol.... Ya i figured that much. I know tons of people that got sent home from different branches to take college courses.
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just as long as you don't think your gaming career is over because you're enlisting, that would be horrible
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just as long as you don't think your gaming career is over because you're enlisting, that would be horrible
Ya lol, i know its not gunna be completely over unless of course i go to afghanistan.
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you can still play warhammer with bionic legs lol. *crosses self*
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There's also a difference between things that you don't need with you to play, such as a book, or something that has to be there, like your HQ (aside from proxies where applicable) that you can use online for now and then buy later from the store. Either way the store will get money, it's just a matter of temporary solutions. That's like yelling at someone for printing out magic cards to use as a proxy deck before they decide to buy it.
First, you DO need the rulebook to play...if there is a rule question...you look at the book, if there's a disagreement...you look at the book, if there's popcorn...you look at the book...etc.
Second, If you proxy something like magic cards and models...you will HAVE to buy the real thing to use them in a tournament or anything official...but a pdf isnt exactly a proxy...so dont do it...EVER
the first thing of warhammer that i ever bought was the rulebook and i dont regret it
TL;DR Just because i memorized the rulebook doesnt mean that i can/should just leave it at home
and back on the actual topic of this forum: <insert something relevant here>
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Brace yourselves. Dave Goss making common sense in-bound.
The legal age to work in the U.S. is 14, cleverly enough, GW's products are all 14+. This means you either have the money to play their game, or you are not their target audience. Derek and Chase are both great people, as most who speak to them would agree. Derek feeds his child on the money he makes from his game store and tries to make a living off of a book which retails for $30/60 and which he sells for $30/60. He even out of the goodness of his heart realizes some people spend so much they deserve 10% off for buying in bulk. He even further decides that any person with the like-mindedness to play a game and enjoy themselves can come in and take up gaming space in his store at no charge. Just remember that everytime you decide not to buy from his store, you not only are sticking the middle finger in his face when you play at his store for free, but you are also taking food, clothing, and shelter away from his wife, children, and family. This is not some moral or economic theory, this is a fact. Have the maturity to wait and spread out your purchases and watch your army grow over time if you need to.
Lets take a look at an example... Im planning an eldar purchase of $500 soon. This is roughly 1850 points, enough for serious enjoyable games. I have at my option to spread my purchases out. in 10 months, I would only have to pay $50 a month. $50 a month on minimum wage is roughly 3.9% of gross pay. The average american spends $76 a month on coffee, in comparrison.
So, in short, and I do not care if you decide to say I am on my menstrual cycle, that just shows how mature you are and explains to me why you cannot understand such adult concepts; Get a job and fucking pay for the stuff you want and don't be the kind of scumbag that steals money from a good man and his family; OR do not play at all.
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Nice rant, but it would sound better coming from someone not lessening community resources with "U mad bro?" spam.
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Its funny cus where did I mention that I was gunna buy stuff at other places? Or that I dont currently shop at BG? If you want you can ask Derek but I spend alot of money at BG. Yes once in a blue moon if BG doesnt have something I go elsewhere but I told Derek that and he said Thank You. So in actuality ur point is invalid. And the fact that you would go out of your way to make in invalid rant is showing that ur PMSing.
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And the fact that you would go on multiple topics and keep posting "U mad bro?"..... Really? So what I would like to know is why are YOU mad. Is it because I didn't want just YOUR opinion.
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Its funny cus where did I mention that I was gunna buy stuff at other places? Or that I dont currently shop at BG? If you want you can ask Derek but I spend alot of money at BG. Yes once in a blue moon if BG doesnt have something I go elsewhere but I told Derek that and he said Thank You. So in actuality ur point is invalid. And the fact that you would go out of your way to make in invalid rant is showing that ur PMSing.
This isn't aimed at you, it's aimed at me.
Here's my response:
Captain, you can learn to play without the rulebook, quick references to rules can be made with either other players who know them, players who have a copy of the rulebook on them, or what a lot of people do, and just glance at a book on the shelf. The first thing I bought was my codex and HQ at the same time.
At Goss:
I can't take anything you say seriously to be honest. You sit and spam the forum with "you mad bro?" seriously, what are you, five years old? Grow up or no one will take you seriously. Get off your high horse there man with that rant of yours. One purchase of a rulebook isn't going to put D out on the streets or starve his family. Let's be logical here.
Your entire argument is based off mostly irrelevant things. The niceness of D and Chase has nothing to do with it. The 10% discount has nothing to do with the initial argument that is being discussed, so I am not really going to comment on that.
Everytime one decides not to buy from the store they’re sticking the middle finger up at him? Are you on drugs? Seriously, it’s not that at all, there are things you can’t get at the store that you order online, calm down, that’s like saying that I’m being rude going to Gabby’s for lunch instead of eating pure junkfood all day, completely illogical and over the top accusation.
Sure, you could make that argument for age in relation to essential plan for their (GW’s) marketing, but it could also be that you need superglue and other toxins to paint your army and that people below 14 aren’t ready for the game in terms of learning or using the chemicals involved.
Maturity has nothing to do with spacing out purchases, I haven’t done that, whenever I get money I immediately go to Battleground and blow it all on 40k. Your little rant about spreading your purchase out is irrelevant when you bring yourself into it, it’s just saying you’re buying it all at once instead of buying pieces over time, which in either case you will be purchasing from Battleground, so the unnecessary rambling on you did there is irrelevant and a space-filler.
“Get a job and fucking pay for the stuff you want and don’t be the kind of scumbag that steals money from a good man and his family; OR do not play at all.” Why I can’t understand those adult concepts? Get off your high horse, seriously. It’s not stealing money, it’s a temporary solution so you can get into a game and make further purchases which will then in turn support the man in question. Think about what you say before you say it, better yet, look it over twice so you don’t sound like a complete idiot. I personally am on 3 varsity sports and advanced classes, I don’t have time during the school year for a job, so I do yard work when I can to earn some quick money. I bet a lot of people our age don’t have time for a job right now, so that really isn’t a valid argument; just because you may have all the time in the world doesn’t mean everyone else does.
I can respect Rich’s point of it being someone else’s property and that coming with consequences. I can respect Ian, he knows where my initial argument is coming from and made an intelligent argument based off of how he feels and some legitimate facts. The large rant you just went on fueled by something of the source I know not is not respectable, you just sound like an illogical fool who is over exaggerating everything and blowing it out of proportion.
I am not going to change my opinion of the pdf rulebook being a huge issue or taking money from the store or changing the pay where you play logic, because I fully support pay where you play, and firmly believe the pdf book is ok. I in no way intend to force that opinion on anyone else to try and change their mind, or intend on posting links again, but I still firmly believe that it’s not that big a deal and am just defending my initial point and opinion.
Goss, saying you’re acting like you’re PMSing isn’t being immature, it’s pointing out how much of a diva douchebag you’re being.
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It was originally pointed towards me because if you look at first page he got all pissed cause I wanted someone else's opinion. Then the whole money thing came from because I said that I get all the info i can before i go out and spend alot of money on something because I dont have alot of money. So he is basically saying if you cant afford it all at once spend it over time... but then comes the point that I dont have alot of time because like i said im going in the military. But his whole rant thing is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever heard in my life. It makes me wonder WTF was he actually thinking when he was writing that.
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It's something that comes up once and a while. While I think he might have been a bit hyperbolic, he has a point. People get fiercely protective about the usage of the community without open support. I think this thread got quite off topic and got heated because people read too deep. I'm not going to even touch it here because obviously everyone involved is on the same page.
It doesn't seem focused at you, NGazerro, or you Alley. An honest mistake on your part obviously does not require such a response. So many communities close down because of ideologies that were not expressed in this thread but outside of it. I'll respond to that too but in the proper place.
I'm not apologizing for Dave I'm attempting to show that we are all on the same side, want the same thing and are part of the same community.
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Wowzers Dave Goss went on an epic u mad bro sperg. The best way to put things into perspective is this: You are being provided a place to hang out/play games for free. We are not talking about purchasing a club membership to access the tables. Because Derek allows us to play for free he also expects a little bit of loving too, in the form of purchasing goods to keep his store running.
With that being said if you cannot afford a codex or rule book look to borrow things from folks before you resolve yourself to the intertubes for the book or a free copy. AoBR was mentioned as a cheap way to get a rule book or ask around for folks if hey have a spare they will sell to you for store credit.
And in ending, Dave Goss: Why u mad brah?
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Nick, this is not aimed at you, this is aimed at other people who openly say they are not buying something from the store, that they are using their forums to express. If you want to get a rulebook for free, don't tell people about it on the stores forums and have other people doing it, it is only teaching them it is ok to do, which is not ethical or healthy for a store. That is not a high horse that is common sense, that you shouldn't be buying or playing a game you cannot afford. If a $60 book is out of your reach, why would you buy an army where a single unit is at least $35?
I do not care if you listen to my opinion or not. But if you want to get what the vast majority of the store said last night's opinion, since you have two months, I would suggest you just hold on to your money and play some FNMs or something. You might manage to scrimp up enough to make 1,000 or so points, but not many people play less than 1500, which will easily cost even with a free rulebook and codex over $200.
The U mad bro? spam was a joke. ha ha.
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Nick, this is not aimed at you, this is aimed at other people who openly say they are not buying something from the store, that they are using their forums to express. If you want to get a rulebook for free, don't tell people about it on the stores forums and have other people doing it, it is only teaching them it is ok to do, which is not ethical or healthy for a store. That is not a high horse that is common sense, that you shouldn't be buying or playing a game you cannot afford. If a $60 book is out of your reach, why would you buy an army where a single unit is at least $35?
I do not care if you listen to my opinion or not. But if you want to get what the vast majority of the store said last night's opinion, since you have two months, I would suggest you just hold on to your money and play some FNMs or something. You might manage to scrimp up enough to make 1,000 or so points, but not many people play less than 1500, which will easily cost even with a free rulebook and codex over $200.
The U mad bro? spam was a joke. ha ha.
Ok i just assumed that it was pointed towards me cus it just seemed like you hated me at school. Today I went out and got a Dreadnought, Tactical Squad and a predator. Then when they have one im getting the Black Reach box cus it comes with a Rulebook and a Commander, tactical squad, Terminators and a Dreadnought.
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Today I went out and got a Dreadnought, Tactical Squad and a predator. Then when they have one im getting the Black Reach box cus it comes with a Rulebook and a Commander, tactical squad, Terminators and a Dreadnought.
The Battleforce set is also another good investment too. It comes with a 5 man Scout squad, a 5 man Assault Squad, a 10 man Tactical Squad, a 5 man Combat Squad (or 1/2 of a Tactical Squad), and a Rhino. All of that for only $90, which saves you close to $40 retail. I'd definitely pick up a few of those to help expand the army too. Good luck!
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The legal age to work in the U.S. is 14
I started at 13
and Space Marines are fun
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this thread is semi retard now in fact , i will now state Uh oh Hotdog!
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this thread is semi retard now in fact , i will now state Uh oh Hotdog!
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there is one thing Ugh would like to point out that hasnt been addressed yet......
earlier someone mentioned checking rules in the store's codex's. Battleground isnt a library....
by using the store's codex you will eventually destroy them, and that would be taking money away from derek, he already paid for that one (note: there is a difference between taking money away and not buying). Ugh is still trying to get an ork (40k) army going and Ugh owns the codex, Ugh bought it with Ugh's first pack of gretchin, Ugh also has the rule book from black reach. The only time Ugh would consider using some online info for would be if its out of print and cant be purchased in your local gaming store or book store like with some RPGs or something
But back to the matter at hand... like Ugh said Ugh is slowly getting an ork army going, Ugh still has the space marines from black reach and would consider trading/ purchasing more orks from other black reach boxs. If you have anyone else interesting in starting either of the two games it can a great way to get a decent size army going pretty fast by buying two and splitting the armies in each
ok sorry about Ugh's rant, Ugh will go crawl back into Ugh's cave now.......